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How many Latinos are serving our country right now and in the past?

It is mostly the poor and underprivileged that serve our country.Can you give me NUMBERS of each ethnic group that makes up our national security?

Asked By: PANCHA - 4/18/2006
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This isn't related directly to your question, but some insight to why immigrants come to serve us, because people don't seem to take into consideration the work they do for this country.

Scores of immigrants are crossing the border each day. Why are they coming here? Why do so many leave their families, friends, and homeland behind to seek an uncertain future in a new country? When we investigate the issue, we come to the shocking discovery that policies of the U.S. government and corporations are largely behind this phenomenon. Before we can blame immigrants for crossing our border, we must understand our own role in bringing them here.

We often question guests of Casa Juan Diego about their work experiences back home. Laboring in Mexican factories, they receive a little over $3.00 a day, not nearly enough to maintain an adequate living standard. This alone may not surprise people. What is surprising is that more likely than not, these workers are employed by United States' companies! U.S. and European corporations now have the permission and the technology to locate factories throughout the third world. There they do not have to abide by the wage, safety, or environmental standards that are in effect here. Consequently, people in Mexico and Central America are receiving slave wages to manufacture products such as clothing or automobiles that will be profitably sold in the U.S.

A critic might respond, "True, U.S. companies do pay low wages in Latin American nations. But if those companies were not there, the people would have no jobs, no wages. Therefore, those people should be grateful to have the opportunity to make at least some money." This argument sounds persuasive, but is born from ignorance of the history and extent of U.S. involvement in Latin America. As we shall see, the location of U.S. factories there is only the tip of the iceberg. The story of United States' engagement in Latin America is a long and complicated one.

Until the 1930s, the Latin American economy was based primarily on exporting raw materials to the industrial nations. But in 1929 the stock market crashed, and the ensuing depression spread to Latin America, which no longer had a strong market for its products. Many Latin American governments therefore embarked on a new economic course, one which seemed the most sensible at the time. Because exportation had proven too fraught with danger, these governments tried to achieve self-sufficiency under an economic plan called import substitution. This involved a state-led effort at economic growth, comprising nationalization of industries, tariffs to protect domestic products, and government investment in infrastructure (Green, Duncan. Silent Revolution: The Rise of Market Economics in Latin America. London: Casell, 1985. ps.15-17). By the 1960s, domestic industry supplied 95?f Mexico's consumer goods.

The decisive event leading to the current situation originated not in Latin America, however, but in the global community: the oil boom of the early 1970s. With so much new money pouring into the West, banks recklessly gave loans to third world nations, "believing,"in the words of Citicorp chairman Walter Wriston, that "'a country does not go bankrupt' as a private company could" (Green 21).

Latin American nations gladly accepted these loans at good interest rates. Although their program of import substitution had prompted much development, it had also caused lasting inflation, inefficient business practices, and high unemployment. But the loans which seemed like a blessing quickly turned into a burden. At the end of the 1970s the U.S. raised interest rates from the traditional level of between 4 and 6?o over 20?"Foreign Debt Tribunal - Verdict." Third World Resurgence 107 (July 1999) ps.19-21.) This forced Latin American nations to take out new loans just to pay the interest on the old ones. Something had to give, and in 1982 Mexico announced that it could no longer meet its debt repayments. Other nations followed suit.

Latin America was now broken and vulnerable. Irrevocably in debt to the U.S. and Europe, it needed debt renegotiation and further loans. But with no bargaining power, it was forced to accept the terms of the north.

The International Monetary Fund and the World Bank were formed after World War II to forestall the kind of international trade disputes that had occurred in the 1930s. While the organizations are multi-national, the United States has the power to veto any IMF decision. The president of the World Bank is always an American, and the headquarters of the two organizations are not near the United Nations in New York, but in Washington, D.C. Their first task was to rebuild post-war Europe, but they soon turned their attention to the developing world (Green 33-35).

The organizations' mode of operations is basically this: when nations cannot pay for their debts, as the Latin American nations could not in the early 1980s, they may receive loans from the IMF and World Bank. But these loans come with conditions: The nations must agree to rearrange their economies according to the dictates of the IMF and World Bank. Each loan is exchanged for a list of resolutions from the borrowing nation, kept secret from the public, and usually drafted by IMF officials. (These stipulations were not applied to the European nations after World War II.) In deciding what policies the debtor nations should follow, the IMF and World Bank adhere to the economic theory of neoliberalism. According to this theory, government de-regulation, privatization, and free trade will lead to a more efficient economy and greater wealth. Theoretically, rising standards of living and decreased poverty should then follow (Green 35-46).

Over time, Latin American nations like Mexico were forced to accept these neoliberal terms, and the results were disastrous, a "swift, steady erosion of the domestic producers in manufacturing and agriculture who were ill equipped to compete in the global system. As the protective mantel of government was rolled away, many of them were decimated" (Greider, William. One World, Ready or Not: The Manic Logic of Global Capitalism. New York: Simon & Schuster, 1997. p271). As native industries crumbled, American companies reaped the benefits as they acquired new markets for their goods. Wealth did flow into Mexico, but mainly for the construction of "steel mills, auto factories, chemical plants and other kinds of new productive capacity" that were not integrated with the domestic economy (Greider 272). Multinational companies, mainly American, relocated factories in Latin America to exploit the available cheap labor. The products and the profits went straight north to the U.S., while Latin Americans received only jobs that paid less than a living wage. The decimation of native industry had destroyed most other employment opportunities.

Meanwhile, agribusinesses like Del Monte, Campbell's, and General Foods came to own huge tracts of land in Latin America. These lands, formerly owned by small-scale peasant farmers, are now used to produce crops for export into the U.S. Like the industrial companies, the agribusinesses came to exploit cheap labor. The foods they produce are too expensive for most of the population to buy, including the workers who actually grow and produce the food. And the disappearance of so much land into the hands of agribusiness has made agricultural self-sufficiency all but impossible (Burbach, Roger, and Patricia Flynn. Agribusiness in the Americas. New York: Monthly Review Press, 1980. ps.183-88).

Ostensibly, these economic policies are supposed to help Latin Americans, by creating a trade surplus to pay off their debts. But for the majority of the population, conditions have only worsened. One World Bank official candidly remarked, "We did not think that the human costs of these programs could be so great, and the economic gains so slow in coming" (Green 54).

While the Latin American population has not been helped, U.S. banks and companies have. They reap profits by paying slave wages to third-world workers. The disappearance of Latin American industry has given them an enormous new market. And the export revenue that Latin nations do generate is sent north as debt service payments. Between 1982 and 1992, Latin American nations accumulated a trade surplus of $242.9 billion dollars. $218.6 billion was sent to foreign banks and governments (Green 64). Many third-world nations now pay more to debt service than they do on health care or education ("HIPC: Too little, too late." Third World Resurgence . . . ps.22-24).

American banks and companies are enriching themselves, while the Latin American population is paying the price. Yet when these men and women migrate here, to escape the poverty of their own nations, they bear the brunt of our resentment. Instead of blaming our companies and our government, the ones who have created this situation, we blame the destitute immigrants, who are clearly the victims and not the instigators of this story.

The European Commission has proposed granting foreign investors unfettered access to the economies of poor nations, thereby preventing those nations from exercising control over their economies. The Commission advises that foreign companies should be treated exactly like domestic ones, and advocates the removal of laws that interfere with foreign investment, such as anti-trust laws and regulations that limit how much of an industry can be owned by foreigners (Khor, Martin. "EC proposes new rules on foreign investment." Third World Resurgence 60 (Aug. 1995) ps.19-21). The frightening part is that these are not merely suggestions; international organizations now have the leverage to enforce their will upon poor nations.

This system has rightly been described as a new form of colonialism. We are shaping foreign economies to suit our own production needs. Meanwhile, we are working to erode national sovereignty in these nations. The patriotic citizen so proud of "tax-paying Americans" should remember that our revolutionary forefathers refused to accept British rule under such conditions.

Yet so far, none of this has addressed that charge, the one we began with: that immigrants are taking jobs away from Americans. This accusation provides most of the fuel of anti-immigration sentiment. As economist Julian Simon writes, "'Displacement' of natives by immigrants is the most emotional and politically-influential fear about immigration in the U.S. and elsewhere" (The Economic Consequences of Immigration. 1989. Cambridge: Basil Blackwell, p.208).

Do undocumented immigrants take jobs away from natives? The logic of this argument is simple: there are a finite number of jobs. Therefore, if immigrants manage to obtain some of these jobs, fewer will be available for others. In addition, since immigrants are willing to work for such low pay, they cause wage competition which brings down the wages of everyone else. So even those natives who remain employed consequently receive less pay. Though apparently logical, this argument is unsound for several reasons.

First, the argument rests on a critical assumption: that natives and undocumented immigrants compete in the same labor market. However, economists and demographers argue that these immigrants constitute a separate "low-skill labor pool with a tendency to fill jobs native workers disdain" (Bean, F., E. Telles, and B. Lowell. 1987. "Undocumented migration to the United States: perceptions and evidence." Population and Development Review. 13 (4): 676-90).

We see this at Casa Juan Diego. We have a hiring hall where men go to wait for employers. Most end up doing temporary, menial labor. Employers come from as far away as Kentucky and the Carolinas to find immigrants willing to work on tobacco farms or in chicken factories - extremely demanding, low-paying jobs that no one else will take. Without the availability of these workers the jobs might not even exist, and either be transported overseas, or accomplished by mechanized means. Very seldom do immigrants compete for the same jobs as native citizens.

Furthermore, undocumented immigrants might actually cause a slight improvement in the employment and wages of natives. Undocumented immigrants provide goods and services at lower-than-usual prices; in addition, their widespread employment maintains the existence of supervisory jobs, filled mostly by natives. Thus demographers Bean, Telles and Lowell conclude that "real wages of natives are increased" by the presence of these workers. Following a survey of other research, they state, "Studies of labor market impact have found that the effects of immigrants (both legal and undocumented) on the wages and earnings of other labor force groups are either nonexistent or small (and sometimes positive)" (671).

Arguments that see immigrants taking more and more of a finite number of jobs ignore the complexity of the marketplace. Immigrants who come here do not simply take jobs; they also increase the demand for goods and services, which means that more jobs are created. The diffuse nature of this chain of events makes it difficult to envision, but no less real. Julian Simon writes:

Though it is easy to imagine in one's mind's eye an immigrant sitting down before a machine and taking a place that a native might otherwise occupy, one cannot so easily picture in one's imagination the small effect on the labor force in the plant that manufactures the refrigerator that the immigrant buys, at the trucking firms that move the refrigerator along the channels of distribution, in the wholesaler's sales force or front office, in the number of sales clerks in retail stores, and so on. (218)

Finally, immigrants create new jobs not only through their consumption patterns, but though their ingenuity and industriousness. "Immigrants not only take jobs, they make jobs. They open new businesses that employ natives as well" (252).

The weight of the evidence indicates that immigrants have little if any negative impact on the native economy, and perhaps exert a positive influence.

U.S. citizens are generally oblivious to the role our companies, banks, and government are playing in Latin America. Most people know that Latin America is poor, and have a vague idea that it was always poor. Believing that the poverty of those nations is solely of their own making, Americans find it easier to justify keeping their citizens out of our country. Racial or cultural revulsion towards Hispanics - the same kind of revulsion that was once directed towards Irish, Germans, Italians - fuel this inclination. Immigration restrictions are justified by the claim that immigrants take American jobs, though the weight of the evidence points to the contrary. Spreading accurate knowledge about these issues will be the first step in working towards a more fair immigration policy. The second step will involve questioning the nationalist view that those born outside of our borders are somehow not deserving of aid and justice. Hopefully, a greater dissemination of knowledge and deeper ethical meditation will spur us to adopt a healthier attitude towards immigrants in the future.
Answered By: diehard0603 - 4/18/2006
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I can't speak for the past, but as for the present, Latinos make up an estimated 10.3?f total military personnel currently serving. I belive that comes out to about 180,000-200,000 Latinos in uniform.
Answered By: SuperTrooper - 4/19/2006
PANCHA, I thought you stated that you were tired of this subject.
Answered By: Made_in_America - 4/18/2006
It's the poor and underprivileged "Law abiding Citizens" that are serving our country.

The poor and underprivileged "Lawbreakers" that come here illegally and take more than they put in, and don't learn English, and don't want to assimilate, are the ones "Not serving" our country.
Answered By: richbro - 4/18/2006
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2 answers - Asked By: tonnydanabwembya - 12/24/2005
I received the following email from these guys: "Hello, my name is Susan Collins and I am Personnel Manager of Audit Sales Company Inc. and will be your supervisor. Thanks for sending us your job application. We'd love to bring you on board. The reason for this email is to touch base with you as a potential candidate for the position we are currently looking to fill (Audit Sales Representative). You replied to our online job posting and I would like to take a moment to familiarize you with who we are. Audit Sales is the worldwide leader in temporary financial staffing, providing excellent opportunities in the areas of accounting, bookkeeping, credit and collections, data entry, finance, payroll, audit and tax. Our relationships with top companies ensure that our employees enjoy competitive pay, and dynamic and ongoing assignments with the best opportunities for temporary and temporary-to-full-time employment. Since opening our doors in 1990 we are recognized as a top performing firm for the Midwest region and have expanded all over USA, Canada and Europe. Future goals include expanding offices to multiple markets across the country. Having gained operational experience in Intern Audit Inc., I recommend all new employees to treat seriously every small detail they may encounter in the course of their work. You have a real chance to obtain quick promotion in the nearest future if our management is satisfied with your job results. Audit Sales Representative is an entry level position that involves transfer of funds from Audit Sales to our client's via Representative's account, consequently eliminating any transfer holds. We don't require any previous experience for this job. We are looking for a trustworthy person to process payments sent from AuditSales.bz to our clients. We will provide an Representative with detailed instructions for payment processing operations including invoices, contracts and all documents regarding current sale. Funds that are deposited into your account comes directly from our company and the funds are sent via instant money transfer service within the USA ( bank wire transfer). You will always be aware exactly where the money is coming from and where it is going. For additional security we provide Invoices and contracts for all transactions completed. We offer a couple types of compensation packages: either performance based pay or base salary plus commission. Of course, details are discussed during your trial period (3 months). When funds enter employee's bank account, Wire Transfer Representative's duty is to withdraw cash and process the funds. The main advantage of our services is the shortest possible time within which the client can receive money for the services/goods. If this operation is delayed, our clients are entitled to cancel their contract with us and we suffer financial loss. Therefore, successful applicant must be very responsible and careful! Our company can guarantee $2,500 base salary + 5?ommission for every transaction done. Working with our company guarantee's you a safe relationship and licensed establishment. If you would like to apply to this vacancy and inquire more detailed information, please fill out our online job application via our secure website: http://www.AuditSales.bz/index.php?action=login BEFORE YOU APPLY PLEASE REVIEW THE FULL JOB DESCRIPTION. We'd like to get started as soon as possible, so please complete the online application today. You will also need to take an online interview when applying for this job opening. If you have any questions/issues please replay to this email. -- Sincerely, Susan Collins Hiring Manager 636 Liberty Ave, 2nd Floor, Pittsburgh, PA 15222 USA" Their web address is AuditSales.bz I have not been able to find anything out about these guys, so I'm thinking that is red flag number one right off the bat.... But has anyone encountered these guys before? Wayne Z - I tried doing a domain search and had no luck, although I didn't exactly give it a thorough attempt.. You have confirmed what I needed to know. Kittysue - The funny thing is I never even sent them my resume! I responded to the posting on Craigslist asking for more information about the company/position and I got that in return, but I gave them absolutely no other information. The whole thing threw up so many red flags.
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