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If the us would have lost WWII who would be the victorious country and how would the world be like today?

Asked By: chuy1983 - 4/19/2006
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The US did not win World War II. The Allies did. The US depended heavily on nations like Briton in it's war efforts during world war II. For example if not for the bombing of a heavy water factory which the British were responsible for finding the Germans may well have had nuclear weapons in time to actually affect the outcome of the war.

Though to the spirit of the question. Germany made a few critical mistakes during the war. A big one was rounding up so many potential soldiers and sending them to concentration camps. Jews, Gypsies, Christians, intellectuals and so on. Germany executed what may have been at least 100,000 of it's best soldiers. People eager to prove how German they were and willing to fight twice as hard to be accepted. People who may have helped build or stratigize. Germany also wasted quite a bit of resrouces transporting and guarding people as well as other military resources dealing with revolts, executing undesirable peoples for example. The genocide also provided the Allies with many excellent spies. What would have otherwise loyal Germans instead supported the Allies.

Russia was a debacle. If the Germans had treated the Russians like people they may well have not found any real resistance at all. Stalin was a blood stained tyrant and even Hitler looked good initially. Hitler could have played up ethnic and nationality issues to gain Russian support.

Even after those huge mistakes, Germany instead of retreating for the Winter basically executed a huge chunk of it's own army attempting to fight the Russians in Winter on Russian soil.

In Asia a united China might have been a dangerous winner. Even with a common cause like kicking the Japanese out the Chinese still kept at a cival war that had allowed the Japanese into China in the first place. Loyalists to the emporer, those fighting for Democracy and Comuninists were slugging it out and sniping at the Japanese between bouts.

Japan of course made the biggest mistake of all by attacking the US. The American people wanted nothing to do with another European war after so many died in World War I. There was a dedicated and active pacifist cause that sided with the isolationists on this subject. Germany should have volenteered to fight Japan for us rather than let us get into the war on that pretext.

So in answer it depends on what changed. If the US had not entered the war I think Germany would have prevailed against Russia eventually. England was another matter. I think Germany would have given up on England for a time and moved into Spain instead. There they would have had their hands full with people like the Basques. Already gurillas in other areas were becoming a serious problem. Once inertia died Germany was doomed to lose many of thier gains without intervention from anybody else.

So for Germany to realistically have won the war the Military would have had to have pulled a coup on the Nazis. The same political group which spurred the powerful military build up was busy destroying it after about 1942. Executions alone were decimating morale and robbing Germany of some of it's finest. Any time a political group gains power over a military branch like the SS had or what the USSR inflicted on it's armies, it will damage the ability of that army to function. The Nazis had done an effective job of sabataging the German military machine by 42. Enough so that Briton I think could have held out without US military intervention.

Japan was in no way capable of beating US industry. Japan lacked the technology, raw resources and industrial base to compete with the US. Even the pacifists of that day changed stripes because of Pearl Harbour. So for Japan to survive the US had to stay out of the war. With China busy in cival war and Briton busy with Germany Japan could have quietly swallowed up much of Asia if they left US and US ally territory alone. Relations between the US and China was poor at the time. Nobody in the US had an inkling of the atrocities being commited by Japan against Chinese and Koreans. If we did it probably would not be enough to make the US go to war. Given twenty years to absorb China and much of the rest of asia and a policy of toleration then Japan could have become a very formidble enemy.

Toleration however was the biggest downfall of all of the axis powers. What made Rome so successfull was that those conquered by Rome could and did eventually become Romans. Very few actual Romans fought in Roman armies late in the Roman empire. For much of the Roman empire's history people like the Celts provided calvary and other essential arms of the Roman military. Assimilation of the conquered is the only way to hold on to a conquered area other than genocide. The Mongal armies were another conquerer who was quick to assimilate those they conqured. Few successfull conquers failed to assimilate the conquered. The Islamic armies which marched all the way into Spain required only conversion of religion to become one of them. An excellent example of assimilation.

Intolerance, genocide and poor treatment of those they conqured meant that German and Japanese forces could never hold the terrorites they conqured. Not with the leadership which existed by 1942.

Had Germany had a military coup and put the Nazis out of business. It is highly possible that they could have used Russian political devides for their own advantage. Pacified the populations of France, Belgium, Poland, etc. They could have easily absorbed Italy, Hungry, Austria, etc. After consolidating those gains, especially Russia, and industrializing as well as organizing the local governments of these nations Germany could have easily become the greatest power the world has ever known. Removing the Nazis would not have been an easy task.

Had Germany done this, instead of a cold war we'd had an active conventional war which raged on from the 60s on. Comunists and NATO intelligence did a huge amount of damage to the rest of the world fighting each other in third world nations. Many countries still hate the US for ops against the more discreet Comunists. So the US and Germany would have fought often in third world nations but openly, not the undercover sniping that happened between the US and the USSR. I suspect that a military empire would have been tyranical but not genocidal like the USSR was. So overall it would not have been as bloody to the world unless a Stalin or Hitler like leader gained power in post WWII Germany. Germany would likely have turned it's eyes on the third world and a second wave of colinization would have occured and possibly even prompted the US and UK to enter into a colinization race against Germany. So Indians for example might speak German today and nobody would know who Ghandi was.

A realistic scenario of a post WWII where the Germans won the war by removing the Nazis would have meant most of the world under 2 or 3 huge nations/confederations. Nations like Canada and Australia would have likely banded together with the US or UK into a common military and political confederacy to combat the growing German empire. The Turks with German help would have likely swallowed up the Arabic world and parts of Africa. Germans would have likely taken a large chunk of Africa, most of Asia. They may have even locked horns with Japan buying breathing time for the allies as well as seeing the US supporting Japan in a war against Germany for possiession of India and China. Battles would have been of a scale never seen before. Technology would have raced along. We'd probably be at 1990s levels of technology by the 60s if Germany had survived WWII without the Nazis. War would certainly spread into space by the 70s and a battle for the moon would have taken place by the 80s or 90s. War for Mars may well have started by 2000 depending of if there was a clear winner in the war for the moon and low earth orbit.

Nuclear war would not haunt a whole generations psyche like it does now. A more rational German empire would have quickly put nuclear weapons aside along with the Allies once a nuclear race proved to be the extinction of human kind. Both factions may have even agreed to cease building nuclear weapons by the late 60s. Without scientists like Einstien who fled the Nazis the US may not have built Nuclear weapons until the 50s. Without the Nazis or a similer group Germany could not have so quickly become a military power again. So US nuclear research was as assured as war in Europe.

Quite an interesting map if you think of it. However the threat of being conquered by Germany would be a constant fear. It might have even destroyed democracy in many of the Allied nations and brought about governments akin to what you saw in the novel 1984. Consider the fact that martial law may well have become a perm feature of life had Germany won. Conquering America was not really feasible for this fictional Germany for at least 30-40 years. Especially given that so many nations like UK, Australia, even possibly Japan would have banded together to oppose Germany. The threat of it would have been enough to cause loss of cival liberty and constant war potentially. Depends on how aggressive Germany was after WWII. How distracted it was by revolts as well.

---- Added after reading other responses-----
Russia was in a desperate state when Germany invaded. Stalin held on to power purely by fear. He'd killed millions in recent years. Russian industry and agriculture was devestated by Stalin's sometimes insane actions. Russia had zero chance of invading Germany without the US entering the war. Russia depended heavily on US supplies. Russian troops fought mostly because it was better to have an insane Russian mass murderer in power than an insane German mass murderer in power.

As for why the US bombed Japan rather than Germany. Germany had already fallen by the time the atomic bomb was tested and working. Japan never had a chance in the war. Japan itself knew it. Japan's goal was to hurt America enough that America would sign a quick peace treaty. That did not happen. We dropped the atomic bomb on Japan to avoid a long and costly battle to take the Japanese mainland. Remember the Japanese considered surrender as a disgrace and would commit suicide rather than surrender. Taking the Japanese mainland would have gotten millions killed including millions of Japanese civilians. It would have decimated the population and left the entire island of Japan one big smoking pile of wreckage. It was inevitable though. With the war over in Germany, Japan would have seen the entire US military at it's door. Not just the US, but also British, Australian, Canadian, Philipino, Thai, Indian and even troops from nations like France and Italy. Whole generations of Japenese men would have been wiped out. Japanese as a distinct people may have ceased to exist. Dropping the atomic bomb was a far more humanitarian way to finish the war. I feel that the first bomb should have been dropped on a sparsely populated military facility rather than a real city. Other than that I feel the US did the right thing for everybody concerned in using the Atomic bomb.
Answered By: draciron - 4/19/2006
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Germany
and awful!
and it was the allies that won it not just the US
americans can be so egocentric
Answered By: ..***.. - 4/19/2006
It would have been Germany and the world would not have been any different. Probably the names might have been slightly different.
Answered By: keshavanvrajan - 4/19/2006
What do you mean if US lost... excuse me but I though ENGLAND AND FRANCE were fighting LONG before the US
Answered By: shortyxxs - 4/19/2006
Germany. And world would have vbeen very different. Maybe no communist block, because then Russia was defeated too. maybe no European Union. Maybe no Israel state. maybe totalitarism in most of countries. maybe another sort of war would have followed and world even destroyed till now.
Answered By: strangeanswerer - 4/19/2006
I think Japan outlasted Germany in WWII, so Japan would be the victorious country, and the world wouldn't be too much different than it is today. (I'm referring to how many household items are made in Japan, and how many businesses are owned by the Japanese).
Answered By: mamabear - 4/19/2006
We'd have never voted for George Bush and there'd be no Paris Hilton.

Wait a minute....
Answered By: rednecks suck - 4/19/2006
Everything would be like a Japanese thing.No english letters
Answered By: ILoveScarlettJohansson - 4/19/2006
That would have been v unlikely. America joined when Germany was already failing(suffering heavy losses in Russia), Americas real battle was with the Far East after Japan attacked Pearl Harbour.
Answered By: wonderful - 4/19/2006
Facts: We are talking about the world-war 2 and there were other "Small" countries like UK (and people from countries that this country ruled at this point in time, eg. India), France, Russia. Or maybe I was mistaken. Same applies to the "Victorious country" part.

Now that we have gotten that out of the way, if the "Allies" would have lost the war. Japan would have been the world ruler with the biggest can of "Whoop A$$". They were "Hiroshima-Nagasaki"ed out of their war ambitions and devoted for the economic and moral reconstruction of the country. Had that not happened they would be ruling the world right now (with weapons I mean, they are almost ruling the world economically before China/India syndrome happned).

With Japan at the top, we definitely would be seeing many more interesting and at least 200?ore efficinet weapons of mass destruction. So there is some respite in the fact the US won and now controls the majority of the world arms production.
Answered By: AC - 4/19/2006
Don't be so ignorant as to think that the us was the victorious country. Russia had a great deal to do with the outcome of the war, so probably we would have a communist world given that the us wouldn't have had the power to fight the cold war after WWII
Answered By: guluir - 4/19/2006
Most people will say Germany.
Then why Japan was made the target of Atom Bomb by USA?
Answered By: Saadi - 4/19/2006
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I received the following email from these guys: "Hello, my name is Susan Collins and I am Personnel Manager of Audit Sales Company Inc. and will be your supervisor. Thanks for sending us your job application. We'd love to bring you on board. The reason for this email is to touch base with you as a potential candidate for the position we are currently looking to fill (Audit Sales Representative). You replied to our online job posting and I would like to take a moment to familiarize you with who we are. Audit Sales is the worldwide leader in temporary financial staffing, providing excellent opportunities in the areas of accounting, bookkeeping, credit and collections, data entry, finance, payroll, audit and tax. Our relationships with top companies ensure that our employees enjoy competitive pay, and dynamic and ongoing assignments with the best opportunities for temporary and temporary-to-full-time employment. Since opening our doors in 1990 we are recognized as a top performing firm for the Midwest region and have expanded all over USA, Canada and Europe. Future goals include expanding offices to multiple markets across the country. Having gained operational experience in Intern Audit Inc., I recommend all new employees to treat seriously every small detail they may encounter in the course of their work. You have a real chance to obtain quick promotion in the nearest future if our management is satisfied with your job results. Audit Sales Representative is an entry level position that involves transfer of funds from Audit Sales to our client's via Representative's account, consequently eliminating any transfer holds. We don't require any previous experience for this job. We are looking for a trustworthy person to process payments sent from AuditSales.bz to our clients. We will provide an Representative with detailed instructions for payment processing operations including invoices, contracts and all documents regarding current sale. Funds that are deposited into your account comes directly from our company and the funds are sent via instant money transfer service within the USA ( bank wire transfer). You will always be aware exactly where the money is coming from and where it is going. For additional security we provide Invoices and contracts for all transactions completed. We offer a couple types of compensation packages: either performance based pay or base salary plus commission. Of course, details are discussed during your trial period (3 months). When funds enter employee's bank account, Wire Transfer Representative's duty is to withdraw cash and process the funds. The main advantage of our services is the shortest possible time within which the client can receive money for the services/goods. If this operation is delayed, our clients are entitled to cancel their contract with us and we suffer financial loss. Therefore, successful applicant must be very responsible and careful! Our company can guarantee $2,500 base salary + 5?ommission for every transaction done. Working with our company guarantee's you a safe relationship and licensed establishment. If you would like to apply to this vacancy and inquire more detailed information, please fill out our online job application via our secure website: http://www.AuditSales.bz/index.php?action=login BEFORE YOU APPLY PLEASE REVIEW THE FULL JOB DESCRIPTION. We'd like to get started as soon as possible, so please complete the online application today. You will also need to take an online interview when applying for this job opening. If you have any questions/issues please replay to this email. -- Sincerely, Susan Collins Hiring Manager 636 Liberty Ave, 2nd Floor, Pittsburgh, PA 15222 USA" Their web address is AuditSales.bz I have not been able to find anything out about these guys, so I'm thinking that is red flag number one right off the bat.... But has anyone encountered these guys before? Wayne Z - I tried doing a domain search and had no luck, although I didn't exactly give it a thorough attempt.. You have confirmed what I needed to know. Kittysue - The funny thing is I never even sent them my resume! I responded to the posting on Craigslist asking for more information about the company/position and I got that in return, but I gave them absolutely no other information. The whole thing threw up so many red flags.
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