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Should immigration be considered a felony?

Ok, in all honesty. i havent developed an opinion about immigration laws. however i do know that most people want to deport illegal aliens for the wrong reasons. lots of people say that they take the american jobs. but im pretty sure subconsciously they are full of hate. there needs to be a rational way to deal with this. in all honestly should this widespread phenomenon be considered a "felony"? i have a feeling that would be a little harsh.

Asked By: retrobro90 - 5/2/2006
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Washington takes into account what is good for the country, I'm posting some facts here and as you can see, if we were to take harsh measures, many U.S. companies would suffer retaliation and there is a great economic factor that people fail to realize. There has to be more enforcement on illegal immigration but we can't make it a witch hunt without getting into a situation that will affect our economic interests abroad.

Laboring in Mexican factories, they receive a little over $3.00 a day, not nearly enough to maintain an adequate living standard. This alone may not surprise people. What is surprising is that more likely than not, these workers are employed by United States' companies! U.S. and European corporations now have the permission and the technology to locate factories throughout the third world. There they do not have to abide by the wage, safety, or environmental standards that are in effect here. Consequently, people in Mexico and Central America are receiving slave wages to manufacture products such as clothing or automobiles that will be profitably sold in the U.S.

A critic might respond, "True, U.S. companies do pay low wages in Latin American nations. But if those companies were not there, the people would have no jobs, no wages. Therefore, those people should be grateful to have the opportunity to make at least some money." This argument sounds persuasive, but is born from ignorance of the history and extent of U.S. involvement in Latin America. As we shall see, the location of U.S. factories there is only the tip of the iceberg. The story of United States' engagement in Latin America is a long and complicated one.

Until the 1930s, the Latin American economy was based primarily on exporting raw materials to the industrial nations. But in 1929 the stock market crashed, and the ensuing depression spread to Latin America, which no longer had a strong market for its products. Many Latin American governments therefore embarked on a new economic course, one which seemed the most sensible at the time. Because exportation had proven too fraught with danger, these governments tried to achieve self-sufficiency under an economic plan called import substitution. This involved a state-led effort at economic growth, comprising nationalization of industries, tariffs to protect domestic products, and government investment in infrastructure (Green, Duncan. Silent Revolution: The Rise of Market Economics in Latin America. London: Casell, 1985. ps.15-17). By the 1960s, domestic industry supplied 95?f Mexico's consumer goods.

The decisive event leading to the current situation originated not in Latin America, however, but in the global community: the oil boom of the early 1970s. With so much new money pouring into the West, banks recklessly gave loans to third world nations, "believing,"in the words of Citicorp chairman Walter Wriston, that "'a country does not go bankrupt' as a private company could" (Green 21).

Latin American nations gladly accepted these loans at good interest rates. Although their program of import substitution had prompted much development, it had also caused lasting inflation, inefficient business practices, and high unemployment. But the loans which seemed like a blessing quickly turned into a burden. At the end of the 1970s the U.S. raised interest rates from the traditional level of between 4 and 6?o over 20?"Foreign Debt Tribunal - Verdict." Third World Resurgence 107 (July 1999) ps.19-21.) This forced Latin American nations to take out new loans just to pay the interest on the old ones. Something had to give, and in 1982 Mexico announced that it could no longer meet its debt repayments. Other nations followed suit.

Latin America was now broken and vulnerable. Irrevocably in debt to the U.S. and Europe, it needed debt renegotiation and further loans. But with no bargaining power, it was forced to accept the terms of the north.

The International Monetary Fund and the World Bank were formed after World War II to forestall the kind of international trade disputes that had occurred in the 1930s. While the organizations are multi-national, the United States has the power to veto any IMF decision. The president of the World Bank is always an American, and the headquarters of the two organizations are not near the United Nations in New York, but in Washington, D.C. Their first task was to rebuild post-war Europe, but they soon turned their attention to the developing world (Green 33-35).

The organizations' mode of operations is basically this: when nations cannot pay for their debts, as the Latin American nations could not in the early 1980s, they may receive loans from the IMF and World Bank. But these loans come with conditions: The nations must agree to rearrange their economies according to the dictates of the IMF and World Bank. Each loan is exchanged for a list of resolutions from the borrowing nation, kept secret from the public, and usually drafted by IMF officials. (These stipulations were not applied to the European nations after World War II.) In deciding what policies the debtor nations should follow, the IMF and World Bank adhere to the economic theory of neoliberalism. According to this theory, government de-regulation, privatization, and free trade will lead to a more efficient economy and greater wealth. Theoretically, rising standards of living and decreased poverty should then follow (Green 35-46).

Over time, Latin American nations like Mexico were forced to accept these neoliberal terms, and the results were disastrous, a "swift, steady erosion of the domestic producers in manufacturing and agriculture who were ill equipped to compete in the global system. As the protective mantel of government was rolled away, many of them were decimated" (Greider, William. One World, Ready or Not: The Manic Logic of Global Capitalism. New York: Simon & Schuster, 1997. p271). As native industries crumbled, American companies reaped the benefits as they acquired new markets for their goods. Wealth did flow into Mexico, but mainly for the construction of "steel mills, auto factories, chemical plants and other kinds of new productive capacity" that were not integrated with the domestic economy (Greider 272). Multinational companies, mainly American, relocated factories in Latin America to exploit the available cheap labor. The products and the profits went straight north to the U.S., while Latin Americans received only jobs that paid less than a living wage. The decimation of native industry had destroyed most other employment opportunities.

Meanwhile, agribusinesses like Del Monte, Campbell's, and General Foods came to own huge tracts of land in Latin America. These lands, formerly owned by small-scale peasant farmers, are now used to produce crops for export into the U.S. Like the industrial companies, the agribusinesses came to exploit cheap labor. The foods they produce are too expensive for most of the population to buy, including the workers who actually grow and produce the food. And the disappearance of so much land into the hands of agribusiness has made agricultural self-sufficiency all but impossible (Burbach, Roger, and Patricia Flynn. Agribusiness in the Americas. New York: Monthly Review Press, 1980. ps.183-88).

Ostensibly, these economic policies are supposed to help Latin Americans, by creating a trade surplus to pay off their debts. But for the majority of the population, conditions have only worsened. One World Bank official candidly remarked, "We did not think that the human costs of these programs could be so great, and the economic gains so slow in coming" (Green 54).

While the Latin American population has not been helped, U.S. banks and companies have. They reap profits by paying slave wages to third-world workers. The disappearance of Latin American industry has given them an enormous new market. And the export revenue that Latin nations do generate is sent north as debt service payments. Between 1982 and 1992, Latin American nations accumulated a trade surplus of $242.9 billion dollars. $218.6 billion was sent to foreign banks and governments (Green 64). Many third-world nations now pay more to debt service than they do on health care or education ("HIPC: Too little, too late." Third World Resurgence . . . ps.22-24).

American banks and companies are enriching themselves, while the Latin American population is paying the price. Yet when these men and women migrate here, to escape the poverty of their own nations, they bear the brunt of our resentment. Instead of blaming our companies and our government, the ones who have created this situation, we blame the destitute immigrants, who are clearly the victims and not the instigators of this story.

The European Commission has proposed granting foreign investors unfettered access to the economies of poor nations, thereby preventing those nations from exercising control over their economies. The Commission advises that foreign companies should be treated exactly like domestic ones, and advocates the removal of laws that interfere with foreign investment, such as anti-trust laws and regulations that limit how much of an industry can be owned by foreigners (Khor, Martin. "EC proposes new rules on foreign investment." Third World Resurgence 60 (Aug. 1995) ps.19-21). The frightening part is that these are not merely suggestions; international organizations now have the leverage to enforce their will upon poor nations.

This system has rightly been described as a new form of colonialism. We are shaping foreign economies to suit our own production needs. Meanwhile, we are working to erode national sovereignty in these nations. The patriotic citizen so proud of "tax-paying Americans" should remember that our revolutionary forefathers refused to accept British rule under such conditions.

Yet so far, none of this has addressed that charge, the one we began with: that immigrants are taking jobs away from Americans. This accusation provides most of the fuel of anti-immigration sentiment. As economist Julian Simon writes, "'Displacement' of natives by immigrants is the most emotional and politically-influential fear about immigration in the U.S. and elsewhere" (The Economic Consequences of Immigration. 1989. Cambridge: Basil Blackwell, p.208).

Do undocumented immigrants take jobs away from natives? The logic of this argument is simple: there are a finite number of jobs. Therefore, if immigrants manage to obtain some of these jobs, fewer will be available for others. In addition, since immigrants are willing to work for such low pay, they cause wage competition which brings down the wages of everyone else. So even those natives who remain employed consequently receive less pay. Though apparently logical, this argument is unsound for several reasons.

First, the argument rests on a critical assumption: that natives and undocumented immigrants compete in the same labor market. However, economists and demographers argue that these immigrants constitute a separate "low-skill labor pool with a tendency to fill jobs native workers disdain" (Bean, F., E. Telles, and B. Lowell. 1987. "Undocumented migration to the United States: perceptions and evidence." Population and Development Review. 13 (4): 676-90).
Employers come from as far away as Kentucky and the Carolinas to find immigrants willing to work on tobacco farms or in chicken factories - extremely demanding, low-paying jobs that no one else will take. Without the availability of these workers the jobs might not even exist, and either be transported overseas, or accomplished by mechanized means. Very seldom do immigrants compete for the same jobs as native citizens.

Furthermore, undocumented immigrants might actually cause a slight improvement in the employment and wages of natives. Undocumented immigrants provide goods and services at lower-than-usual prices; in addition, their widespread employment maintains the existence of supervisory jobs, filled mostly by natives. Thus demographers Bean, Telles and Lowell conclude that "real wages of natives are increased" by the presence of these workers. Following a survey of other research, they state, "Studies of labor market impact have found that the effects of immigrants (both legal and undocumented) on the wages and earnings of other labor force groups are either nonexistent or small (and sometimes positive)" (671).

Arguments that see immigrants taking more and more of a finite number of jobs ignore the complexity of the marketplace. Immigrants who come here do not simply take jobs; they also increase the demand for goods and services, which means that more jobs are created. The diffuse nature of this chain of events makes it difficult to envision, but no less real. Julian Simon writes:

Though it is easy to imagine in one's mind's eye an immigrant sitting down before a machine and taking a place that a native might otherwise occupy, one cannot so easily picture in one's imagination the small effect on the labor force in the plant that manufactures the refrigerator that the immigrant buys, at the trucking firms that move the refrigerator along the channels of distribution, in the wholesaler's sales force or front office, in the number of sales clerks in retail stores, and so on. (218)

Finally, immigrants create new jobs not only through their consumption patterns, but though their ingenuity and industriousness. "Immigrants not only take jobs, they make jobs. They open new businesses that employ natives as well" (252).

The weight of the evidence indicates that immigrants have little if any negative impact on the native economy, and perhaps exert a positive influence.

U.S. citizens are generally oblivious to the role our companies, banks, and government are playing in Latin America. Most people know that Latin America is poor, and have a vague idea that it was always poor. Believing that the poverty of those nations is solely of their own making, Americans find it easier to justify keeping their citizens out of our country. Racial or cultural revulsion towards Hispanics - the same kind of revulsion that was once directed towards Irish, Germans, Italians - fuel this inclination. Immigration restrictions are justified by the claim that immigrants take American jobs, though the weight of the evidence points to the contrary. Spreading accurate knowledge about these issues will be the first step in working towards a more fair immigration policy. The second step will involve questioning the nationalist view that those born outside of our borders are somehow not deserving of aid and justice. Hopefully, a greater dissemination of knowledge and deeper ethical meditation will spur us to adopt a healthier attitude towards immigrants in the future.
Answered By: diehard0603 - 5/2/2006
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Only Illegal Immigration.

If they want to be in this country:
A. Become a Citizen or get a Visa
B. Learn the Language (If they don't speak English - they don't get in)
C. Pay Taxes
D. No Freebies
E. Get a Job
Answered By: Anton Mathew - 5/3/2006
No, that's ridiculous.
Answered By: (((Courtney))) - 5/2/2006
NOOOOOO yea it would be a harsh and not lil ALOT
Answered By: hijabi22 - 5/2/2006
I'm assuming you're talking about ILLEGAL immigration? Or are you referring to ALL immigration? Most people just use word immigration and that really confuses the issue. i****************s are breaking the law by coming to this country without proper documentation, and therefore according to the law they should be deported. The problem is, nobody is enforcing that law.
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Answered By: stjarna - 5/2/2006
The average illegal costs the US taxpayer on average $55,000 per year. That's grand theft in my book. Don't forget - they are not even supposed to be here.
Answered By: Mr. Boof - 5/2/2006
First of all, you need to clarify when starting this debate. I am assuming you mean ILLEGAL immigration. I don't have a problem with legal immigrants who have come here looking for a better life at all. As long as they did it the legal way, i.e., forms, waiting, etc. It is those who come to our country and push their language, their beliefs, etc onto us. The icing on the cake was when I saw them staging a demonstration in our streets waiving the Mexican flag and had Old Glory hung upside down below their flag.

Our country is losing millions of $$ due to the illegals in health care alone. I have to pay a very high price to have health insurance which doesn't cover near all of a healthy family's medical expenses. It isn't right that they come here and get free health care.

What about education. Our public school system is paying teachers to teach the ILLEGAL children. Not only are we giving them an education, they have demanded that we must teach them in THEIR own homeland language. English would be a second language option.

Come on. Should it be a felony. Yes, actually, I thought that according to current law on the books, it is a felony. We have the laws already, they simply are not being enforced.
Answered By: just a mom - 5/2/2006
Illegals draw welfare by stealing people's social security numbers and identities. That means there are a lot of people being directly hurt by these people as well. Innocent people are having their credit ratings ruined, having IRS problems, and social security problems. If someone who has had their social security number stolen gets married, if either spouse dies or become disabled then they can be denied their benefits.

My family moved to the US before WWII. Those of my family that didn't make it over got killed by the death camps. Our family assimilated to the American culture. We didn't expect the Americans to change to suit us. The i****************s from Mexico are not civilized like that.

They not only changed the National Anthem to Spanish, they changed the words. They already burn our flag and hang our flag upside down. They waved the Mexican flag during a lot of their protests. Some schools have stopped hanging the American flag and forbidden students from wearing clothes with any part of the American flag on their clothing all to keep from offending the Mexicans. It's nothing short of an attack of our country, not only by the illegal aliens, but those who seek to appease them.

I am tired of the stereotype that Americans wouldn't do the work that illegals do. Illegals do all kinds of jobs for less than minimum wage which drives the wages down for U.S. citizens. Construction jobs are an example. There are lots of illegals doing construction jobs that Americans used to do because the companies can keep more of the profits if they pay less for the workers. All that does is make companies wealthier and Americans poorer. Illegals are stealing jobs that Americans have done for years.

Make illegal immigration a felony! Mexico does.
Answered By: Jessica - 5/2/2006
I say no because they come here for a better life.
Answered By: karebear - 5/2/2006
Yes i agree. but as being an immigration reformist supporter it should not involve the deportation of the ones who work. who work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if this was to happen then the entire u.s. economy would plummit deeply. if they are here illegaly they should be given a set time peroid to find a job, or then be deported.
Answered By: gibsonfrk109 - 5/2/2006
What Jessica said X 10
Answered By: danielcrna - 5/2/2006
Waiting your turn is the legal way it is done...do not use our services until you get here legal is the right way.people come from Mexico with no regard for americans..they will not pay into our social security, medicare, unemployment. they file no taxes for state or federal...they pay no medical. our hospitals have to take anyone who comes into the emergency room.....they function in the er as a regular patient,giving birth down to aspirin for a cold. no funds from them they use our police, and fire services, they will not puchase car insurance, nor get a drivers license.. this is a few reasons to come in legally or not at all........coming in legally you have to give an oath, to cast away your ways from your old country and become an american , these people give no oath, they carry their flags, waving them in defiance of becoming and american the correct way........if you look close. all of what i have stated has to be paid for by some one. not these people.....can i afford them ,,if they were my relatives i would have already kicked them out of my home. I have worked for 40 yrs and my funds are not available to me til i am 67,,,,,,,,,if i changed my name to jose and put on a sombrero I could get any of these immediatly with no effort.. oh yes I guess if there are enough of you. you can get away with anything whats next. a prison riot with about a hundred dead...they occupy 1/3 of our prison population for free i am sure . they will never fight in Iraq to make sure we have the freedoms that we do.....their country is and always will Mexico......criss crossing the border showing no allegience........to either////// hehehehehehe
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Answered By: rogue89029 - 5/2/2006
In response to your question....

I understand that humans are humans, but do you really think you'd be treated so well if you "humanly moved" to Egypt or Iran or North Korea or China?
Answered By: sleepyguy901 - 5/2/2006
ABSOLUTELY!

diehard0603
Few people read long posts. Get to the point.
Answered By: Made_in_America - 5/2/2006
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I'll be taking Programming HTML in 10th grade (I'm in 9th right now). My school offers Java, C++, Programming HTML, Graphic Communications, Robotics, CAD, and Game Design. I am taking courses not only because I want to fulfill credits, but to also test out some things and see what I like. I'm asking this in Careers because I was wondering what careers involve any of these and if they are good jobs. My cousin got me a little interested in computers because she has her Ph.D from University of Maryland, went to UMBC, taught at Carnegie Mellon, worked at IBM, and currently has a job at Microsoft (she works with human- computer interaction) I was curious, what are some good careers in Computer Science? Are these courses good ones to take to see if I like them? How much can you make in Computer Science careers? None of my decisions for the future are concrete and I do not only look at the money in anything so please, no assumptions unless you know me. I just want to have an idea of what to do and I have plenty of time. I love to help people which is why I am looking into medical careers as well. I'll be taking an AIDS research course in a few years and I'm taking a Child Development course in case I really do wish to be a Psychologist some day (Some other careers I have thought about are Hematologist, Dermatologist, Neurosurgeon, attorney, etc. I really would love to cure my parents who have Sickle Cell and Fibromayalgia but I know how Pharmaceutical Companies are.Treatment makes more than cure) t********s to anyone who can answer and help me out (Point gaming is pretty pointless. Two points vs ten? Which is more?) Thank you! I get good grades. Honor roll, honor student, I study hard and I keep to myself a lot so I have a lot of time to study. I'm cyber schooled because of how awful my old school was (kids bullied me. To the point where I could have died but teachers didn't care because my parents aren't friends with the teachers from high school. So, I just had to suffer. They lied to my parents and eventually, we just couldn't take it anymore. I got sick of defending myself against boys anyway. Thank God I'm into Martial Arts). I have been here for 4 going on 5 years and I love it! Peace and quiet....most of the time. I still live in a small town and the bullying just continues. So I have to be completely alone to escape it. Life will be better when I move to Canada. Also what you do is very interesting! Thank you very much! I can only take HTML this upcoming school year. Then the other courses become available throughout the years. I can't choose whether C++ comes before Java. It's not all available right away. It becomes available grade by grade. I heard people say $70,000 wasn't a good salary before and that really confused me. My cousin makes that much and she traveled to Spain, France, Atlanta and California recently. I think it is all interesting. New tech always did intrigue me and my mother. I'm just dipping a toe in first though. Just in case, when I go to college, my freshman year will be undecided to sit in on some more classes. I'll see what I like, this a lot, Thank you! Oh by the way, the C++ course is actually a C++ AND Java course! It's all in one. That's helpful :)
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