I agree. Yes there should be basics, but I don't understand the need for some classes. I do think history is vitally important and the ones you mention, like home finance, credit, economics, politics, world issues and sex education are lacking alot.
Answered By: dreamcatcher8993 - 8/3/2006 |
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I'm totally agree with u!
Answered By: vega_nightsky - 8/3/2006 |
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I think so. i think we should learn life skills. most ppl live average lives once they leave college, and no one really need to know what photosyntesis is to go to the supermarket.
Answered By: elementamigo4 - 8/3/2006 |
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I would say, examine the best and highest performing school systems in the US and use whatever systems those schools use.
It makes no sense to re-invent the wheel.
Priority should be given to ungoing problems the schools are facing
High drop out and pregnancy rates being one thing the schools need to address in concert with parents.
If a young adult doesn't see any value in education then
its a major problem.
As far as the school systems being "old fashioned"
to the contrary I feel that the old fashioned methods seems to
produce more success
now most kids don't even want to be in class. let alone go onto college.
Answered By: tanner_1122 - 8/3/2006 |
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Its not too old fashioned--If a student wants to learn he/she will.
Answered By: nowerk13 - 8/3/2006 |
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I don't think they are old fashion. If that were the case then children would be able to read and do basic math skills. If anything the system has tried so called innovative systems and they and they have failed. I have experienced this first hand
with my own children and was a Special Ed teacher for 10 years.
So I believe I know what works. Presently in the school systems if a student chooses there are vocational schools that their school system will assist them in enrollment and learn a trade. These schools are an alternative for someone that wants to learn a trade. The computer classes in most schools are very adequate in learning the basic fundamentals of the computer. Home financial home economics should be learned in the home that is the parents responsibility. Hopefully you studying gave you a foundation for values and morals. That is what religious studies are about.. You pose a great question!
Answered By: roeskats - 8/3/2006 |
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No, in fact I have many Home Economics and Technology Classes( Even Though I'm terrible in both areas)
Answered By: Starbucks Fanatic - 8/3/2006 |
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The first failure with regards to the education system is the premise that it is the government's job to educate our children. Our government-run schools are a failure. In the inner cities, less than half graduate. Kids do not leave with skills to hold a job, let alone show up for one. A lot of kids cannot even speak an intelligent conversation. The best solution is private school vouchers. Everytime competition is introduced, the industry gets better. For example, look at the phone industry. It cost 25 cents a minute to make a long distance call in 1980. That is $1.50 in current money. It costs 10-15 cents, depending on your plan 26 years later. There are other reasons why government schools fail, but that would take a while to explain.
The religious education is an excellent talking point. I was raised Catholic and have not been to church in a long time. Too often, the message is missed and the messenger is the problem. We as a society need to promote morality and moral living. Any reasonable person would agree that the 10 Commandments are words to live by. Good religion also teaches marriage, sexual morality, and the like. One of the main reasons why we have so many societal problems: divorce at 60?out of wed lock births climbing, STD's all over the place is because of a lack of moral training. Take a look at the revered by many (not me) President Clinton. He represents the term situational ethics. This means, depending on your situation, you may or may not be honest. I was raised to always do the right thing, especially when there is no one around to see it.
Your point that children need more life skills is great. Let us teach our children in the home (from the parents) honesty, integrity, and the like.
Let us teach our kids that getting a job and working for a company for 40 years is gone. How about stop depending on the goverment for our health care, retirement, education of our kids, etc. How about personal responsibility and learn how to work with the opposite sex instead of divorcing when there is a problem. How about it is wrong for 15 year old girls to get pregnant? My personal favorite is passing a law that allows individuals at their own expense to buy a converter for their cable box and block channels that they feel offensive. I am sick and tired of flipping through my channels and catching the crap that MTV puts on: the hook-up shows, the filth that people call rap music videos. I would love to see the entertainment industry see the reports of how much of their filth is blocked from even coming into people's homes.
Answered By: Chainsaw - 8/3/2006 |
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Life skills can be learnt later on with personal interest increased respectively while English, maths & Science should be the step stone for a person's development. Religious awareness is also important if you want to understand other people with different religions
Answered By: lameduck - 8/3/2006 |
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Thats what they are doing. Kids are now issued computers in mid-school
Answered By: spicy girl 1 - 8/3/2006 |
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Schools today have undergone a vast and mighty change in the way they 'do business'. This has been done as a reflection of the business community advising schools that the people they are having to hire either are not prepared, or seem to have little or no direction, or are difficult to qualify. The worse part of this is we are graduating students who still: have not developed spelling skills, math skills, reading skills, thinking skills - skills that should have been learned in school. Parenting and school teachers and administrators have had to come together to reason why these things are happening. We have more students with problems than ever before -Influx of immigrants who cannot/will not learn to speak English, Moms/Dads in jail, on drugs, neighborhoods that are not safe, young people having to take care of their siblings, teen shootings/death, more teens trying to work instead of be students, ADD, ADHD, Depression, Cutting, Bullying, Drugs, Gangs, Gun-toting, Knife-weilding Witchcraft - an array of issues that schools have had to deal with. As a result, yes, the educational system has had to go back to the drafting table to determine what needs to be done in order to accommodate students and parents' needs. There are many schools that interface with the community providing courses that students can take which will help them find jobs and hopefully careers.
Answered By: THE SINGER... - 8/3/2006 |
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No... It is very up to date. Obviously you did not pay very much attention during school to take away any knowledge from it.
Math, English and computer skill's are a big part of the school system.
I have never heard of a public school having religious education. In fact that is against the rules. If someone chooses to send their child to a private religious school. Then Religious ed is a part of their education. Which should be. So many children grow up with no rule's and no meaning in life. A basic knowledge of God and Jesus give children respect for others and a higher purpose.
Answered By: hullo? - 8/3/2006 |
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Our education system is constantly changing. Maybe too fast and too hard for the kids to keep up with. I don't know how the kids do it now day.
Answered By: Chuck - 8/3/2006 |
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Our educational system is fine..
Teachers unions and liberal attitudes on discipline are the
causes of the decline of the education of young Americans.
There are counties who spend far less per student and
get far better results..
Answered By: Common Sense - 8/3/2006 |
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Well it's been updated if we were born way early we would probably be using stone and some other things to write on it. I'm glad that inventors make new ideas so we won't be old fashioned forever.
Answered By: Stewie Griffin - 8/3/2006 |
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Some of what you suggest would be rapidly out of date. If anything, I think the education system is 'too modern'. It needs to focus more heavily on reading, writing, speaking, mathematics and problem solving. Some awareness of say the last 100 years history and global geography, and basic economics would be desireable for the voters of tomorrow as well.
Answered By: kheserthorpe - 8/2/2006 |
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If anything, I do not believe that our schools are old-fashioned. If that was the case, you could still paddle a child for doing something wrong instead of wondering if you would get turned in if you disciplined a child. They have taken a lot of morals out of today's school system. I believe that the government needs to leave the schools alone and let them continue to do their jobs. And yes, you are true they do need to learn more of the basics, like we did when we were in school.
Answered By: tracey986 - 8/2/2006 |
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It is not old fashioned enough. Today's kids don't learn crap. Most high school graduates of public school couldn't tell you 10 things that are in the U.S. Constitution. Most could not construct a sentence using correct gramatical syntax. Most could not identify all 50 of the states on a map. Most could not name 5 signers of the Declaration of Independence. If you read the Gettysburg Address, most could not identify the speech.
We need to get back to basics. Back to the "old school". I agree with your last sentence; however, it seems to contridict your premise.
Answered By: as400_guru - 8/2/2006 |
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There are several different aspects of education that need substantial reform.
First, there is the goofy "grade-level" system, where a bunch of kids are put together in a classroom simply because of age. The only time a student is put into a class of students who are not the same age is when that child is being humiliated as "low-performance" and is held back.
If we had such a system in high school or college, there would be outrage. But apparantly, all 6 year olds are supposed to be completely equal in the classroom, regardless of any external factors.
So, my first reform would be to throw out the grade-level system, and instead put in an ability-level system, where students acheive at an appropriate pace to their abilities.
Another aspect that could use some work is the "work with the teacher" aspect. That is, a student is stuck with a teacher for the year, regardless of how compatable they are with each other.
This would be MUCH tougher to reform, and frankly, any reform would only have modest success, but that success would come at almost no cost. Students should be matched to teachers. Teachers should be matched to students. Both, of course, within some reasonable limits.
Third, kindergarten is not mandatory for students. Since this is the case, we either need to abolish kindergarten or make it mandatory. It doesn't really matter, as long as all students are consistent and therefore equally prepared for school. I would personally prefer mandatory kindergarten.
Fourth, our current testing programs are absolute baloney. They only measure a portion of a student's abilities, and they do that remarkably poorly. Many of the questions are inexcusably badly written. There are assumptions about student experiences that are unrealistic. The tests need to be reduced to about a third of their size, and need to include more written work, especially in math and science.
Fifth, we need the arts, sciences, and PE to come back. Our current math and reading programs are so myopic in focus that they barely engage students at all. Rather, our reading programs should cover the materials that relate to social studies and science, as well as the arts. Math should relate to PE and science. We do NOT need more mealy mouthed units on "being friends" or "keep trying", but instead need more units that are based on actual useful and engaging information.
Sixth, social skills need to be explicitly taught. The days when parents taught their children manners are gone, and will not come back. We need to teach these things in the classroom, rather than punish our children for not meeting expectations that they were never prepared for in the first place.
Seventh, exit exams. They will never be perfect, but they simply need to be in place and adhered to, rather than having people whine about why they didn't pass. If someone is not going to put forth a maximum effort to learn, then that person does not deserve any breaks. There is some personal responsibility in this after all.
That said, exit exams need to have a percentage of tests passed to be considered a graduate. There are many adults I know who simply cannot add or subtract and who cannot write a decent paper to save their lives, yet they are now teachers, doctors, lawyers, and bankers. They did not need EVERY little skill covered in an exit exam, only a relevent subset of skills. A graduate should be able to pass with 4 out of 5 successful subtests.
Oh boy, I can go on and on about useless information being taught, politically motivated requirements, budget naughtiness, and general stupidity, but I just can't keep up this head of steam.
By the way, I have been a teacher for 15 years.
Answered By: Mutantmoose - 8/2/2006 |
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Since it's one of the worst in the world? Yes.
I always thought that auto shop should be a required course for girls so they wouldn't get ripped off by crooked mechanics.
Answered By: Ranjer - 8/2/2006 |
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Two issues:
1) not enough basic "old fasioned" education
why math is taught at such lame level that it is hard to compete later on with kids from China and other countries.
2) not enough life skills beint taught
Many people don't know how to balance their own bank account. Unfortunatelly, their parents can't teach them either, because they have the same problem.
Answered By: snowflake1234 - 8/2/2006 |
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Our ED system is very outdated, and if we do not give it a serious rehab, our society will cease to exist when other countries will out smart us
Answered By: Annie R - 8/2/2006 |
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WAY !!! Not only is the education program out of wack, they need to improve the incomes of the teachers!
Answered By: LoveMyLife - 8/2/2006 |
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I have the perfect school system.....teachers can teach.....teachers and principals can discipline......even the school bus driver can lay down the law when needed....
My kid is on honor roll...
The old school system we had to tolerate....
Teachers could teach half-hearted, no teacher or the principal could discipline, the bus driver was just a pawn in the mess....The County shrink could medicate....it didn't work....still doesn't work....
Answered By: keeperlast - 8/2/2006 |
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Everything we learn is relevant, no matter what. It all depends on how and where do you make use of it. It is true that no all we learn will be of use in a specific career or job, but life is more than having a job or a profession.
Answered By: Jossean S - 8/2/2006 |
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What is there in elementary school that isn't important? Social Studies? It's very important to learn how the world works. Science? Come on, how will we ever have doctors if kids aren't exposed to science? Gym? Kids are fat enough without taking away their one hour a day of exercise. There is only so much time in a day; do you think a ten year old girl will want to waste an hour under the hood of an old car? I think the education system is doing a fine job.
Answered By: TurnerTelevision - 8/2/2006 |
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When I lived in California the public schools were abbysmal. You either were college prep or you graduated from high school with no technical training whatsoever. Moving to Texas was the best thing we did for our family. The public high schools offer incredible technical schools to prepare one for a good job right out of high school for those students who are not college material. Property taxes are higher in Texas but over 1?f the taxes go directly to schools and it is showing!
Answered By: Corinthian - 8/2/2006 |
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I hate the eduactional system, if I had a half penny for all the lies I've been told in public school then I'd be a multibillionair! I agree, we need to change it, it is to old fashion, and we're not getting as good of an education as we could.
Answered By: suppy_sup - 8/2/2006 |
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Education should be wholistic. it should address all types of intelligences as well as teach good morals and right conduct. the aim of education is to improve the whole self. limiting the number of subjects to study will not achieve that. if you do not want to attend religious classes, enroll in a non-sectarian institution. you may have forgotten most of what you learned then, but they may have been useful to you at one point or will be in the future.
Answered By: nononsense - 8/2/2006 |
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I agree with the first guy who answered. What is wrong with the "old fashioned" way of learning? Your parents, and their generation speak better English than any kid in America these days. They understood the way you put sentences together and how to add numerals. Now they're so obsessed with teaching this all important sex education. Now why does that need to be initiated? Your point about auto repair and the like, it a good point. Before Homek became Family and Consumer Science, they did teach you how to balance a checkbook. But in this 'modern' society, they have to focus on how to show your kid how to have sex. This is unneeded and would have never been allowed in school years ago. You have good points, but the subjects shouldn't change, but especially the way it is taught. That's what liberal college is for!!!
Answered By: fetishboy191 - 8/2/2006 |
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Yes because our educational system is not as fully advanced as the Japanese and European systems.
Answered By: brian_h_1998 - 8/2/2006 |
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Our "school system" is terrible, home schooling is much more efficent than the current system we have now.so many teachers are only in it for the money(unions) and don't care the whole system is a disgrace.
Answered By: hoopsters44 - 8/2/2006 |
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Quite the opposite. "Old Fashioned" schooling was extremely useful. They taught HOW TO LEARN. The three 'R's' is really a corruption of the FOUR "R's". Research, Relate, Review, and Record. That was the 'learning' that the Founding Fathers had, and modern educators marvel at their brilliance.
Answered By: suspendor - 8/2/2006 |
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Uh..um...okay...my dad is old school...he wants us to clean the house with old clothes and towels...
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we have somthing called clorx and mr.cleasn but he choses old rags instead...
Answered By: southkorean - 8/2/2006 |
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Actually, maybe our educational system should be MORE old-fashioned. When I was in school, much longer ago than you, girls had home economics (sewing, cooking) and boys had shop (learning carpentry, simple machinery), which actually taught us some life skills, albeit with a sexist twist. I don't think academic subjects are irrelevant (except maybe religious studies, which are generally restricted to religious schools, and presumably parents want their children to learn this stuff), but there needs to be a balance of learning the practical skills of life: managing money, cooking, basic car and home repair, skills in writing resumes and going for job interviews, etc. In the US, schools keep cutting out more and more "extras" in favor of core curriculum to meet state standards or pass high-stakes standardized tests. While it is good to have standards, education becomes defined more and more narrowly. Arts and music are give short shrift, and forget practical education, except for the students deemed too stupid for college who are put on a vocational track and might actually graduate from high school with more marketable skills than their "smarter" peers.
Answered By: just wondering - 8/2/2006 |
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Yes, it's too old fashioned. It needs to be completely abolished, and replaced with homeschooling.
Answered By: Red - 8/2/2006 |
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I agree with some of your points about needing to know how to balance a checkbook, cook simple meals, car maintenance, etc. But they still need advanced math, English, 2nd language, science and SOME-history more recent history. By 3rd grade chris columbus & civil war, DONE.
Answered By: grrl - 8/2/2006 |
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Yah its true that some portion is out of date but there is a lot infusion of modern techniques. so one cannot term hte education system as outdated
Answered By: Mrinal B - 8/2/2006 |
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I don't think it's old fashioned enough.
You can still take many of those classes in today's schools, at least around here you can (the south). Wood shop, Auto shop, economics, computer classes, all that.
I think the course load is fine. The problem is the students. They aren't motivated enough and they have too much freedom in the classroom. There are some schools here in GA that still allow teachers to paddle the kids (elementary-middle). My friend is a teacher at one of those schools and he says he can tell a BIG difference (much better) in the attitudes of the kids from that school and another school he taught at that didn't paddle them. Kids need discipline and structure and some kind of a deterrent to keep them from doing bad sh*t. Period. After-school or in-school detention doesn't mean jack squat to a kid who's parents don't give a rat's ass about them or their schooling.
I say keep the course load going the way it is and send more of the troublesome kids off to disciplinary schools so they won't "drag down" the other kids who are trying to learn.
Answered By: liquidic311 - 8/2/2006 |
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Well, I think that we learn too much unnessesarry stuff. 10 years from now I'm not gonna wake up and say, "Well I think I'll recite the different algebraic rules!" As a matter of fact, 10 years from now I won't remember half of the things I'm learning (use it or lose it) so we should be learning things that we will use so we don't lose it.
In my oppinion more schools should be working on computers to save paper. Even if somthing needs to be taken home, like notes to study, or home work to do, computer font is 3 times smaller than some peoples handwriting. I also think that school books should be a set at home and a set in the class room so the students don't have to carry books to school every day.
Answered By: Janette - 8/2/2006 |
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Falsely it is old fashioned it has failed to understand the psychy of the child this modern generation just wants to learn everything automatically they do not want to use their mind for problems thats why no great scientists are coming. use of natural brain has been stopped. the child no longer uses his natural brain in india the children start to go to tution in his kinder garten previous system was much better and much more beter with the gadgets now coming the development of the brain has stopped i.THATS WHY IN INDIA STILL CALCULATORS ARE NOT ALLOWED TILL MATRICULATION. Thats the reason in india we have the sharpest mathematical brains.
Answered By: kushagra_pndy - 8/2/2006 |
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Answered By: gentsocar - 8/2/2006 |
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I was in school about 10yrs ago. if i know then what i know now i think life would a bit easier. for instence i agree they need to make different classes that you have to take. i would say learn the basics of a car, home economics (when i was in school that wasnt forced) and most important...how important your credit is. growing up i know nothing about credit and wasted it. now i have to work even harder to fix it cause i got everything on credit and now i'm in debt...it sucks!
Answered By: emc251978 - 8/2/2006 |
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Education is not focusing on the right topics to help people succeed in the modern world. They're teaching people how to get a job. They should teach people more about investing money! JOB stands for just over broke. Rich people work a lot less and make more by making money work for them. Schools should teach us how to survive in the modern world. Most people I know that have jobs are just over broke.
Answered By: ivan8r - 8/2/2006 |
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The Educational System is so old fashioned, there should just be one exam and then University, none of this GCSEs one year, Aslevels the next and Alevels the year after and then university... It is just pain crazy!
Answered By: Hidden~Rebel - 8/2/2006 |
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Yes, the trouble with most education systems, especially the ones in the third word are that they concentrate on developing deductive logic. In fact from the day you go to school (or in some cases even before you start) they make you try to deduce things out. Nobody allows you to cultivate or even retain your ability to learn by induction, which incidentally is the first and primary way of learning. That ability is what differentiate a great scientist from a good scientist.
Answered By: ancalagon2003 - 8/2/2006 |
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Answered By: bball_cutie0607 - 8/2/2006 |
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I think you have a point but we should also brush up on lessons of virtue and old fashioned values.
Answered By: Marion C - 8/2/2006 |
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In my opinion there is no true fashion for education. as mahatma Gandhi said "life live as if it will end tomorrow and learn as if u will live forever." this means u must learn all u can in order to live life the "correct" way.
as u sated What was the point of being forced to study religious education? and u also said Should our educational system be changed in order to keep pace with our rapidly changing society?
well let me tell u something, religion doesn;t really change, so when u study religion u are studying a constant unchangeable thing.
u want elementary education to be upon home finance econo;ics, car repair, computer repair...etc on top of math and science and English.
well isn't it this the fashion today??? parents should be more involved in their childrens life, A mother is a childes greatest school, no better education would be gained if not for her. in elementary and mid school computer skills are being applied on top of math English and science.
children must learn financial decisions on them selves, by trial and error, that is why parents should give their children an allowance. car repair basics are also taught by a father fixing his own car, by the help of his kid.
here i conclude by saying that the fashion today is not quit bad, learning can be every where at home at school even at a party.
Answered By: 3umar - 8/2/2006 |
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