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The music industry...the great pretender?

Is the music industry really all that it is cracked out to be? In a day of mutliple "specialist" music courses do they really give students the right guidance and a realistic view into how the industry is run? My opinion is no they don't and I am researching for my dissertation and would like opinions on whether it is worth knocking on the industry door or building your own part of the industry. Serious answers only I will have NO problem deleting stupid answers.

Asked By: Stu L - 2/14/2007
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I think whether your aim is to work for an existing industry entity or to build your own part of the industry, whether as an independent record label, PR company, album artwork designer, lawyer, accountant etc. you have to start by gaining some knowledge of how the industry functions and getting practical experience of the area that you wish to work in. This essentially involves, as you say, "knocking on the door of the industry". Once you have the knowledge you need, you can then branch out and start your own part of the industry.

I don't really know what these courses teach, but I do know that a number of people I have worked with at some record labels who've been on them said the only use they had was proving to their potential employer when going for a job, that they had an actual interest in working in the industry -what they were actually taught on the course didn't prove particularly useful.

A successful route that myself and a number of others have followed, is simply finding a number of contacts at organisations where you can get the experience you need, asking them to spare 30 mins over lunch for some advice, and then asking them if you can work for them for free for a while! This of course depends on how useful you will actually be to them, but it's the most direct way of getting good experience.

The music industry is quite a fascinating one -like any industry, there are a lot of bad people around who are only interested in money, will happily s*******u over, and couldn't give a toss. But these are balance out by a mass of genuine people who are passionate about music and the artists who create it -and this isn't just small independent one-man labels who "only care about the music", this is also managing directors and CEO's or major international corporations. There are a lot of of potential pitfalls and wan*kers to negotiate, but once you learn to avoid these problems by learning through first-hand experience, you'll have the knowledge to build your own career or business how you want it to be.

And from what I can tell, the vast majority of successful individuals in the industry who really know what it's about are too busy being successful to be teaching on these specialist courses! I was actually sent an email yesterday inviting me to lecture on a course like this at Buckinghamshire Chilterns University College -which is ridiculous as I've only been working in the industry for two years, I know nothing!!

As regard recording artists, independent promotion is obviously a very real option -but that is also part of the "industry" now and you need to know how it works if you're going to exploit it to it's full potential. It is also most useful as a stepping stone to getting a deal with a major label -"but f*ck the major labels we don't need them!" -well no maybe not for getting initial recognition, but they will still pay hundreds and hundreds of thousands of pounds to support and promote an artist on a worldwide basis which is invaluable for longterm worldwide success.

On whatever level you get involved in in commercial music, you will inherently be part of the "industry" -whether by starting your own label in your bedroom to release your mates record online, or sending demos to some scouts -whatever you're doing, the industry is already out there and you're already a part of it, so you have to know how it works to ensure your survival. That all sounds quite sinister..

Best do some work, hope that helps, good day.

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Answered By: Benjamin J - 2/14/2007
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The music industy is built on a series of fame discourses which sub promise happiness and self actualisation when infact, the 20?f society that determines these discourses are the powerful contenders that create such discourses for their own desired outcomes, by creating a VAST conformation to mainstream music, they can therefore manipulate students into a uniform of thinking! It's the hypodermic theory all over again, the music industry sell us an image, the advertising sells an image of ourselves. They work in the same way! Promising us a utopian solution to our "inferiority" if students knew the manipulation and deciet involved, then they would have a true view, but the 20?on't want us to be aware of it, because their power could be in serious danger. look up noam chomsky, hypodermic theory, and the frankfurt school theory :D Roxy
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Answered By: Roxy A is really cool - 2/19/2007
It's simple you can't learn anything about 'The Biz' from a text book! The only way you learn is by getting out there, getting f****d over, getting let down, getting built up, getting knocked down, until you learn for yourself!!
Answered By: gary b - 2/15/2007
I think you need to both these days. I have friends who done one of the first courses in the country most couldn't get work in the industry. Most those who went to companies or people in the industry and worked for them in their spare time (for free) are now doing really well.
Answered By: clanz - 2/14/2007
It's not just the music industry. For example I studied media, it was very theoretical and taught me nothing that I can use practically. At the end of the day I still have to start at the bottom of the ladder and work my way up.

Hardly anything is as glamorous as it first appears. Things on TV are hyped up to make people envious but when they do actually start to work within the industry they realise it's not as good as they first thought.

Makes me wonder...

Best thing is to work within the industry then decide if you wish to build a part of it.
Answered By: Mistress_T - 2/14/2007
There is a web-site where you can upload demo copies of your music, that has landed people with success - there was a guy who sang some opera music in his flat & he need tours the world. The Scissor Sisters, I believe, progressed simply by word of mouth...
Answered By: jillionsing - 2/14/2007
I just have one comment because I am not young or work in the music industry, and that is the music and media industries are very worried because they have lost control of their product and the terms of the market are being dictated by the public (young people in particular) predominantly via downloads etc.
Answered By: Glenn P - 2/14/2007
"The Music Industry" is an outdated behemoth that simply refuses to move with the times and uses the RIAA and MPAA like a battering ram. It is almost psychotically incapable of foresight and will die a death at the hands of progress.

Given the power of P2P and social networking on the internet, independant music production (even on the smallest budget) is a viable alternative to any industrial complex - and offers the artist more freedom than a labelled contract ever could, with the opportunity for commercial success that goes beyond the "record an album to get noticed then tour yourself to death to get paid" mentality that's the basis of the industry as it now stands. And that's before we even consider the lucrative aspects of merchandising.

In short: you don't need to bend to the industry to capitalise from it these days, and any decent course should stress this. (After all, you're probably only taking a course because you want to make money from what you learn.)
Answered By: Simon D - 2/14/2007
The music industry is like any other - it is about making money. It is run by bureaucrats and managers not by musicians and bands. People buy music these days more based upon how young and attractive the performers are rather than how skilled they are.
Answered By: monkeymanelvis - 2/14/2007
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Answered By: Sunflower - 2/14/2007
Hello,
Please do not delete this asnwer, I promise you hand on my still beating heart it is all true, but for fear of ending up in Jail or broke even, I will not mention any names, but I will truthfully mention places..........
In 1966, I built a band up of 5 music reading musicians, all of aged around 21/24 years of age. We wrote a lot of our own music, a total of 34 songs, music and lyrics, Myself an accomplished pianist, (Yamaha DGX 205 now.) and we had a Bassist, and a rhythm guitar, and a lead guitarist I would rate at least as good as Hank Marvin, our Drummer was a Rhodesian, and was born with a natural ability for the rhythms obtainable from a full set of Ludwig drums. we operated out of our town Warrington, in Cheshire now, (Lancashire then ) and wrked the clubs and dance halls of the era. we played around a darius of 120 miles of home, which took in Carlisle to Birmingham, and Liverpool almost to Hull, and most of the towns and cities betwixt.
Our Manager was really great, and l;ooked after all our interests, and bank dealings and of course our tax demands, but we made a decent wage from the work we did, The average manual worker at that time would be earning £25. a week, so between us we had to make at least that amount, although we were semi-professional.Terry the Manager would have us booked into a club in lancashire to do expenses paid auditions for showmen, to book us for their appoinment books should they think we were good enough, Well, we were, and gained a lot of appointments through this system, and it worked, until...........
One Sunday afternoon, we were all set up and tuned up and ready to play and tell our, what to us was was some very funny jokes, and we wrote those too.We had almost a full-time job rehearsing our 'stuff' that we taped it and played it back to opur greatest critic, My Father. after we had completed our 40 minute 'spot' we were approached by a man from Liverpool, who said his mother ran an agency, that got some recording contracts for 'artistes various', some names you would recognise even today. and he arranged with our Manager for he and I to attend his office in the City centre of Liverpool, and while we waited in the outer office terry was called away, and left the office and told me to sign nothing until his return, the man that asked us to attend his office, asked me into his office 'quite plush the place was' and showed me a large sheet of paper, with our bands name on it in copper-plate print, and said it was a recording contract that would have us employed by EMI.. I dsidn't read it, as I was asked not to, and was prepared to wait for Terrys return. but what I was told by this man in his office was a great shock to me personally. he told me "Nobody gets one of these for nothing, and a requirement was that I had to sleep with him,in a room with all the bedroom facilities right there next to his office, and this office with photo's of some artistes I recognised as being in show business at the time.
I waited and waited for Terry to come back only to be told that he had been told his services had been dispensed with and he had taken a train back to Warrington. I promptly caught the next train, from Lime street Station, and the only music I ever gad my musical group record was for our own use at clubs, pubs and theatres. I don't know how rich I would have been, had I signed that contract, (colloquially known in our band as 'the Con-trick' ) but at least I have lived a Straight life and had no problems loving the woman I celebrated 40 years of marriage and 11 children with, ( 4 of our own and 7 adoptees, that we raised to be adults, and we are still Mum and Dad to them all) and the man in Liverpool was never heard of by us ever again.
To me the music industry, is a fake and nobody is going anywhere if they fall asleep in that mans bed in Liverpool, am I sad, well, yes a little, my group had so much talent to offer, and so many people to entertain, but my health and well being had to be first, I am no Freddie Mercury, But I am alive, Thanks be to my God, and some very careful consideration.
Sir, I am Tony M, ON THIS WEB-SITE, and what I have just told you is every word of it the truth........... Tony M
Answered By: tony m - 2/14/2007
I agree with the second answer, Mistress, to a point; this is a problem not only with music but throughout all of the pergorming arts.

My opinion would be to enter the industry mainstream, just to get a 'foot in the door' as it were, and then branch out to encompass your own interest and perspectives on what needs to be covered and how attitudes must be changed.

I wish you all the best in your studies and future career as a current finalist myself!
Answered By: David - 2/14/2007
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