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Isn't this just amnesty by another name??? Time to call our congressmen,and tell them NO amnesty!!?

Ange Type Size Bill aims to break migration deadlock
Reforms could help ease way to citizenship for 12 million
Mike Madden
Republic Washington Bureau
Mar. 23, 2007 12:00 AM

WASHINGTON - A new immigration-reform bill introduced in the House on Thursday tries to duck the partisan stalemate that doomed similar legislation last year by being tougher in some ways and more generous in others for immigrants and employers alike.

The bill would delay any new benefits for foreign workers until the federal government has improved border security. It also would require undocumented immigrants to leave the United States briefly and re-enter before they would be eligible for citizenship.

But those requirements would be balanced against the promise of legal status for about 12 million people living here illegally now, along with an easier system for employers to verify that workers are eligible for jobs and a new visa allowing up to 400,000 foreign workers to come here temporarily each year. advertisement




Supporters hope that, taken together, the bill's provisions will break years of deadlock over immigration by drawing support from both Democrats and Republicans.

A similar bill the Senate passed last year stalled in the run-up to midterm elections.

"This bill will end illegal immigration," said Rep. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., the proposal's chief co-sponsor along with Rep. Luis Gutierrez, D-Ill. He noted that a sweeping immigration-reform measure adopted in 1986 did not accomplish that goal.

Supporters of immigration reform believe they have their best chance of passing legislation in years with Democrats in control of Congress and the White House pressing hard for GOP allies to sign on to the bill. But difficulties lie ahead for reformers, who had expected the Senate to take up immigration well before the House did. Negotiations in the Senate have bogged down as Republicans work with the White House to craft a proposal that can attract wide GOP support.

Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., is still talking with Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., his chief partner on immigration reform in recent years, but they haven't come to an agreement.

McCain, who is running for president, has heard widespread criticism on immigration from Republican voters. He said recently that supporters of last year's bill didn't focus enough on border security. A McCain spokeswoman said McCain was glad to see the new bill introduced.

Few people had read the entire 700-page proposal Thursday, but lobbyists, community activists and Democratic leaders in Congress mostly called it promising.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said the new bill provides "an excellent framework" for immigration legislation. Community organizers behind many of last spring's immigration protest marches said they hope the bill will help move the debate along.

Civil rights groups responded to the bill, as well.

"Enforcement-only tactics such as anti-immigrant local ordinances and work-site raids have done nothing to curb undocumented immigration, but they have hurt local economies and caused suffering for American families," said Janet Murguía, president of the National Council of La Raza, the nation's largest Latino advocacy organization.

A requirement that undocumented immigrants leave the country and re-enter legally proved controversial when it was added to last year's Senate bill, but advocates for immigrants said they could live with it if it eases the bill's passage.

Immigrants seeking legal status would have six years to comply, and they could leave and return through any border entry point without going back to their home countries.

"Nothing in the outlines appears to be a deal breaker yet," said John Gay, a senior vice president at the National Restaurant Association, one of several powerful business groups pushing for reform.

But the tougher provisions added to the bill did little to placate longtime critics.

"They keep changing the shade of lipstick, but like I've said time and time again, it's still the same old pig," said Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., who is running for the GOP presidential nomination on a fiercely anti-illegal-immigration platform.

The Minuteman Civil Defense Corps called the bill a "lawbreaker assistance program."

Asked By: illegals_r_whiners - 3/23/2007
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I agree with the Minutemen Civil Defense Corps. The bill is a lawbreaker assistance program proposed by a traitor to the United States who promotes sanctuary for i****************s and fights deportation for i****************s. Gutierrez is a financial and political terrorist and a traitor to the USA often in the presence of known and admitted i****************s who he refuses to turn in to ICE and federal authorities. Any bill that gives lawbreakers any breaks at all is amnesty and is anti-American and pro-terrorist! Just because these i****************s aren't bringing bombs and explosives (yet) with them doesn't mean they aren't terrorists. There are venture capital terrorists, financial terrorists, and voter assistance terrorists. Luis Gutierrez, Rod Blagojevich, Dick Durbin et. al. supporters of i****************s need to be tried for treason and should be impeached immediately! Why should we law-abiding citizens cow-tow to lawbreakers? Why should lawbreakers get any benefits at our expense? Below is a copy of a letter that was received at our office this morning. What do you think? Do you think American Citizens aren't quietly organizing?

Driver’s Licenses for Illegal Immigrant (Undocumented) Lawbreakers? Rewards for poisoning our people and disobeying our laws? When do law-abiding citizens get our rewards for obeying our laws and doing things right? Why do we continually reward law-breakers? Why do we continually punish our citizens? Why do our citizens have to pay to support, educate, medicate, and reward illegal immigrant lawbreakers and their families when our law-abiding citizens can’t even get medical care, jobs and student loans to improve their own lives?

Today’s “Kane County Chronicle” gives huge headlines to the Illinois Coalition for Immigrant and Refugee Rights, an organization that openly supports illegal immigration and uses State Money (taxpayer’s money) to enhance their law-breaking capabilities. Months ago, the Illinois Coalition for Immigrant and Refugee Rights (ICIRR) were assisting in the voter registration of i****************s. The ICIRR has direct knowledge of illegal immigrant whereabouts and offers assistance to illegal immigrant fugitives from justice. Today, they are lobbying our government to give i****************s driver’s licenses. The organization, along with LaRaza (The Race), LULAC, LCOM, Centero Sin Fronteras, Mi Familia Vota, United Latino Family, Latino Movement USA, Pueblo Sin Fronteras, Hispanic Strategy Network, IRLI, the ACLU, Southwest Union, MALDEF, all are supporting illegal immigrant activities in the United States and, in particular, Hispanic Illegal Activities. They are working with the support of Governor Rod Blagojevich, Senator Richard Durbin, Senator Barack Obama, Representative Luis Gutierrez, Representative Jan Schakowsky, and numerous others in support of treasonous acts by aiding and abetting i****************s and supporting un-American activities. We, at Citizens Protecting Your Rights, have attended numerous meetings wherein these organizations and government officials openly embrace the lawless activities of these organizations. In fact, our government supports La Raza (which means The Race) whose doctrine is clearly anti-American and clearly supports the takeover of the United States. One has only to visit the websites of these organizations to see the truth. One has only to read the newspapers, both Spanish and English, to understand the true motives of these i****************s and their supporters. These organizations are enablers and promoters of lawlessness and organized crime. They are extremely well organized potential terrorists and invaders who are wolves in sheep’s clothing. They are dependent upon the complacency, decency, and generosity of law-abiding American Citizens to further their takeover. These organizations have gone so far as to pass resolutions that give sanctuary to i****************s and prevent our laws from being enforced against them.

Organizations who hire, harbor and help i****************s are aiding and abetting potential terrorists, gang-bangers, drug dealers, organized crime, and they are aiding and abetting illegal activities such as identity theft, tax evasion, embezzlement, organized crime, vote fraud, welfare fraud, and are even endangering the health and well-being of law-abiding citizens by bringing in disease, by disobeying our health laws, driving without licenses and insurance and other laws too numerous to mention. The next time you buy tacos or enchiladas from Mexican Coworkers and Cheese from a Mexican Grocery Store, think about the Salmonella and E-coli Outbreaks and how deadly these outbreaks can be. Then think about why the United States has laws regarding food preparation, why we have health departments, why we have laws in general, and why we have immigration laws. Then ask yourself – Why are American Citizens allowing themselves to be punished for obeying the laws of the land while these Illegal Immigrant Lawbreakers are being rewarded with no punishment, preferential treatment, free education, free medical care for (A recent newspaper article said 83?f Medicaid spending and 91?f the Immigrant hospitalizations were related to childbirth and pregnancy) having their Anchor babies on American Soil? This is not about hard-hearted American Citizens crying foul. This is about law-abiding American Citizens being treated unfairly, having their rights taken away, paying for education and benefits for i****************s while we are being taxed out of our houses, our jobs are being outsourced to other countries or foreigners are given Visas to take our jobs, our citizens are punished for the slightest infractions while armies of i****************s and illegal immigrant support groups can openly commit treason and subversive activities and demand that we citizens pay them and reward them for doing so? When will our citizens stand up, stomp our feet, stand our ground and say NO MORE REWARDS FOR i****************s?

Citizens Protecting Your Rights, Citizens for Law Enforcement, Veterans for Law Enforcement, Seniors Against Illegal Immigration, Citizens against Illegal Immigration, Citizens Supporting American Education and Jobs First, Researchers against Un-American Activities, Jobs for Legal Americans, Citizens against Government Assisted Mortgage Fraud and Identity Theft, Citizens Organized to Detect and Report Illegal Immigrant Activities, Citizens Against Child Abuse, “You’re Fired” Pink Postcard Campaign, et.
Answered By: MH/Citizens Protecting Rights! - 3/23/2007
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That is just terrible. I am surprised we haven't seen a big resurgence of militias.
Answered By: persiandiva77 - 3/23/2007
Agreed...it is amnesty!
Answered By: hera - 3/23/2007
It sounds basically like the Senate Bill with a few ruffles to fool idiots, which helps their credibility not at all.

I had severe objections to the Senate Bill. I have to read this one, still, though.

Tell me, why is the Dream Act to give in state tuition to i****************s still in there if this is supposed to stop illegal immigration? Who would it be for once everyone is legalized as this bill calls for?
Answered By: DAR - 3/23/2007
Yea and 15 million people are going to go back across the border. Are you kidding me ? It will never happen like that . Bush on his way out the door will grant amnesty to all the illegals . His legacy is so shot , he no longer cares.
Answered By: catcrazyinaz - 3/23/2007
Yep. nuff said
Answered By: plhudson01 - 3/23/2007
Amnesty no matter how you dress it up is still amnesty. I think citizens will have to take up arms before anything is seriously done to erradicate illegals in the US. Perhaps it is time to give our lawmakers a wake up call. If they don't enforce our laws and deport all illegals, jail employers of illegals, then we should help them resign their posts, at gunpoint if necessary. Maybe then they will listen to the 80?f us that want an end to illegal immigration and secure, closed borders.
Answered By: Christina H - 3/23/2007
Yes it is. I agree, these people should not be rewarded for breaking our laws. There is no reason for us to appease these countries. i****************s should be returned to their country of origin and permitted the opportunity to come here legally.
That said, we do need a major overhaul of our legal immigration system. I have friends who have been trying to become citizens for years. It is a difficult, expensive and complicated system that is almost impossible for non-English speakers to navigate. If we made it a little easier for people to obey the law, I'm sure most of them would do so.
Answered By: VQ - 3/23/2007
The so called "guest worker" plan has always be amnesty. That's why Bush is a hypocrite when he says he is against amnesty but for the Guest Worker thing. If it walks like a duck, it's a duck.

I wish Congress would wake up and realize that most Americans don't want this! I hope that any congress member that votes for this horrible plan is out on his/her butt next election. They are violating the trust of the voters that voted for them when they said they were for border security. This is not border security. It is how America will be destroyed faster due to the invasion.

Do they honestly think this will solve the problem? This will only increase the inflow because they will just wait around for the NEXT round of amnesty!
Answered By: jessica4roger - 3/23/2007
This is amnesty. The fine that the illegals will have to pay is less than the fee that legal immigrants have to pay to become citizens. This will not stop illegal immigration. Only by building a stout fence along the entire border with Mexico, enforcing all existing immigration laws, and by putting armed troops with orders to intecept illegals can illegal immigration become managable. If Duncan Hunter is elected President we can solve the immigration crisis - http://www.gohunter08.com/
Answered By: Earthman - 3/23/2007
It is still amnesty!! I've been calling and writing for months now. They aren't listening to the American people. It is time for another American revolution!!!


The Minuteman Civil Defense Corps called the bill a "lawbreaker assistance program."

This is exactly what it is!!
Answered By: tiredofaliens - 3/23/2007
Same game, different name. You have to remember that when they run out of shades of lipstick for the pig...they get a new pig and start over.
Answered By: Chuck_junior - 3/23/2007
Amnesty by any other name.

They won't even fund the fence they voted for, what makes anyone believe they will make the illegals abide by any of these fines or requirements.

Send em back and then give them [illegals] a bill for shipping their butts.
Answered By: East Coaster - 3/23/2007
Yes this is amnesty.
I have a problem with them allowing another 400,000 a year, half of whom will end up in California. We're already over burdened. Are they going to take them in Washington DC? Wouldn't that be interesting. If they had to take even 1/51 of these people from all over the country, plus 1/51 of the new ones. Bet THAT would change their minds!
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Answered By: CRK - 3/23/2007
According to the American Heritage Dictionary, amnesty is: A general pardon granted by a government, especially for political offenses; and to grant a general pardon to. Wordnet calls amnestry: a period during which offenders are exempt from punishment; a warrant granting release from punishment for an offense; the formal act of liberating someone; and grant a pardon to (a group of people). The Kernerman English Multilingual Dictionary calls amnesty a general pardon given to people who have done wrong especially against the government. And finally, the Merriam-Webster Dictionary of Law says that amnesty is an act of clemency by an authority (as a government) by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individuals <illegal-alien farm workers seeking amnesty. So basically to answer your question, HELL YES THIS BILL IS AMNESTY!!
Answered By: Terry H - 3/23/2007
Yes it is amnesty, and yes I do call them every time I can, but whats the old saying, in one ear, out the other.
Answered By: Gary J - 3/23/2007
This is not amnesty, this is a good reform bill, something we needed. all ofyou saying is amensty need to just shut up, is the only way we'll fix the problem kicking everyone out is not going to work.

as for the dream act bill, its perfect for those students who are here illegally and are going to school or want to continue higher education.

i serioulsy dont get some of you, you people b***h and whine about the problem but when a good things comes up you all start critizing it.
Answered By: dyablo61987 - 3/23/2007
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Huge bloody CONFLICT is coming. * * * Politicians keep repeating the old canard that the solution is to train and retrain Americans for the "jobs of the future." But they are either morons or are lying, since anyone who thinks about it can easily see that even if every American worker had an engineering degree or a computer science degree, the economy just doesn't need that many engineers and computer scientists. * * * * * * * Why don't more people see this? Why aren't more people talking about this? We are facing soon a catastrophe in the USA (and in other places) on par of the plagues in Europe that killed half of the population in certain areas, and on par with the depopulation in Europe brought about by WWI and WWII. Sure, you can just repeat the Luddite Fallacy, and proclaim that the economy will always create enough jobs for most people to survive. But there is no law of economics that says that any law of economics will always operate the same. Laws of economics are not like the laws of physics. Economies and life forms can and do evolve in fundamental ways that make former economic models and ways of life obsolete. I'm sure the last tribe of Neanderthals were certain that nothing was ever going to change, right before the Homo Sapiens swooped down on them, chased them into a dead end canyon were other Homo Sapiens were lying in wait with big clubs. * * * * * * * * * In the past the Luddite Fallacy was valid since machines always needed the mental acuity that only human operators could provide, and machines frequently needed maintenance by skilled human hands and minds. But now machines have mental functions that equal or surpass what humans can provide in most work functions. And computers aren't so much repaired anymore as just thrown away and replaced. How many cell phone repair shops have you ever seen? Even most laptop computers are replaced rather than repaired. More and more laptop computers never even need to be repaired for years and years. In short, when the economy has no use for most Americans, all h*ll is going to brake loose, & that's coming soon. * * * * *
2 answers - Asked By: Perro Americano Invicto - 5/16/2013
L want to study medicine and work as a doctor but l am limited due to luck of required monyes. however l swtched on to anther career but still within my career interests as a care giver, but this is somthing to do with sales and marketing in the pharmcitical industry.
2 answers - Asked By: tonnydanabwembya - 12/24/2005
I received the following email from these guys: "Hello, my name is Susan Collins and I am Personnel Manager of Audit Sales Company Inc. and will be your supervisor. Thanks for sending us your job application. We'd love to bring you on board. The reason for this email is to touch base with you as a potential candidate for the position we are currently looking to fill (Audit Sales Representative). You replied to our online job posting and I would like to take a moment to familiarize you with who we are. Audit Sales is the worldwide leader in temporary financial staffing, providing excellent opportunities in the areas of accounting, bookkeeping, credit and collections, data entry, finance, payroll, audit and tax. Our relationships with top companies ensure that our employees enjoy competitive pay, and dynamic and ongoing assignments with the best opportunities for temporary and temporary-to-full-time employment. Since opening our doors in 1990 we are recognized as a top performing firm for the Midwest region and have expanded all over USA, Canada and Europe. Future goals include expanding offices to multiple markets across the country. Having gained operational experience in Intern Audit Inc., I recommend all new employees to treat seriously every small detail they may encounter in the course of their work. You have a real chance to obtain quick promotion in the nearest future if our management is satisfied with your job results. Audit Sales Representative is an entry level position that involves transfer of funds from Audit Sales to our client's via Representative's account, consequently eliminating any transfer holds. We don't require any previous experience for this job. We are looking for a trustworthy person to process payments sent from AuditSales.bz to our clients. We will provide an Representative with detailed instructions for payment processing operations including invoices, contracts and all documents regarding current sale. Funds that are deposited into your account comes directly from our company and the funds are sent via instant money transfer service within the USA ( bank wire transfer). You will always be aware exactly where the money is coming from and where it is going. For additional security we provide Invoices and contracts for all transactions completed. We offer a couple types of compensation packages: either performance based pay or base salary plus commission. Of course, details are discussed during your trial period (3 months). When funds enter employee's bank account, Wire Transfer Representative's duty is to withdraw cash and process the funds. The main advantage of our services is the shortest possible time within which the client can receive money for the services/goods. If this operation is delayed, our clients are entitled to cancel their contract with us and we suffer financial loss. Therefore, successful applicant must be very responsible and careful! Our company can guarantee $2,500 base salary + 5?ommission for every transaction done. Working with our company guarantee's you a safe relationship and licensed establishment. If you would like to apply to this vacancy and inquire more detailed information, please fill out our online job application via our secure website: http://www.AuditSales.bz/index.php?action=login BEFORE YOU APPLY PLEASE REVIEW THE FULL JOB DESCRIPTION. We'd like to get started as soon as possible, so please complete the online application today. You will also need to take an online interview when applying for this job opening. If you have any questions/issues please replay to this email. -- Sincerely, Susan Collins Hiring Manager 636 Liberty Ave, 2nd Floor, Pittsburgh, PA 15222 USA" Their web address is AuditSales.bz I have not been able to find anything out about these guys, so I'm thinking that is red flag number one right off the bat.... But has anyone encountered these guys before? Wayne Z - I tried doing a domain search and had no luck, although I didn't exactly give it a thorough attempt.. You have confirmed what I needed to know. Kittysue - The funny thing is I never even sent them my resume! I responded to the posting on Craigslist asking for more information about the company/position and I got that in return, but I gave them absolutely no other information. The whole thing threw up so many red flags.
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