Unless you are an active member or a veteran of the military, just who the hell are you to tell anyone who should "Defend your Freedom" you pompous ass! Anyone is free to join the military! Rich or poor! No one is drafted, it's all volunteer so no matter where a military recruiter recruits, its still a free country! From reading your idiotic posts, I think you would be better off to concentrate on finishing grade school instead of worrying about the military.
Answered By: SGT. D - 5/25/2007 |
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We call it targeting the less affluence, the elite call it opportunity. They do not mind letting your children pay the price for their failed war plans, while their own children are safely pursuing their dreams. Just look to "W" who's political connections allowed him to go to the head of the line in the Texas Air National Guard, and then when he failed to live up to his obligations because he was drunk in Alabama, got a early release to go to law school
Answered By: saywhat - 5/24/2007 |
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Because a $10,00 BONUS MEANS MORE
Answered By: god knows and sees else Yahoo - 5/24/2007 |
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Because, rich kids do not need help finding employment or funding their college careers.
Answered By: ph_yo - 5/24/2007 |
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Poor man's way out of the poor neighborhood if he lives he has a good life,
Answered By: jennyann 4 - 5/24/2007 |
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That doesn't even make any sense. Where are you getting these facts? I don't see a link to support your question. And I know plenty of people from well-off families who have joined the military... like myself. Don't be so ignorant. It's not very becoming.
Answered By: nikaaaay - 5/24/2007 |
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It might have something to do with the fact that families with money send their children to college. Plus many have security gates you cannot get past.
Just a thought.
Answered By: threeicys - 5/24/2007 |
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I live in a well off neighboorhood and go to a good school and we have army recuriters and JROTC
It is no million dollar a year place tho
Answered By: matt S - 5/24/2007 |
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Because if you have money, its easier to go to college without the military
Answered By: tommy - 5/24/2007 |
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Pure LIES!!! most in the services are middle class and higher....most of the generals and high commanders in today's military have their own sons and daughters in theater right now....stop your c****e propaganda...LA Times did a write up on this not long ago and even that lefty rag proved it's a LIE!!! the service isn't only poor people....stop your brainwashing idiocy and try reality.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/NationalSecurity/cda06-09.cfm
Our review of Pentagon enlistee data shows that the only group that is lowering its participation in the military is the poor. The percentage of recruits from the poorest American neighborhoods (with one-fifth of the U.S. population) declined from 18 percent in 1999 to 14.6 percent in 2003, 14.1 percent in 2004, and 13.7 percent in 2005.
This report updates the previous Heritage Foundation report, with data on all U.S. recruits during 2004 and 2005. We introduce the term “wartime recruits” to identify volunteer enlistees in all branches during 2003, 2004, and 2005. Like the previous report,[3] the analysis considers the following characteristics:
Household income,
Level of education,
Race/ethnicity, and
Regional/rural origin.
In summary, the additional years of recruit data (2004–2005) support the previous finding that U.S. military recruits are more similar than dissimilar to the American youth population. The slight differences are that wartime U.S. military enlistees are better educated, wealthier, and more rural on average than their civilian peers.
Recruits have a higher percentage of high school graduates and representation from Southern and rural areas. No evidence indicates exploitation of racial minorities (either by race or by race-weighted ZIP code areas). Finally, the distribution of household income of recruits is noticeably higher than that of the entire youth population.
Demographic evidence discredits the argument that a draft is necessary to enforce representation from racial and socioeconomic groups. Additionally, three of the four branches of the armed forces met their recruiting goals in fiscal year 2005, and Army reenlistments are the highest in the past five years. A draft is not necessary to increase the size of the active-duty forces. Our analysis using Pentagon data on wartime volunteers effectively shatters the case for reinstating the draft.
Household Income of Recruits
Like their peers in 1999 and 2003, recruits in 2004 and 2005 came primarily from middle-class areas. Poor areas are proportionally underrepresented in the wartime years (2003–2005).
The Department of Defense (DOD) does not track family income data for recruits, and there are no individual income data for enlistees. Military service is the first full-time job for most of them. We approximate each recruit’s household income by using the median household income of his or her hometown ZIP code.
what did that say? The poor are underrepresented!!!!! primarily From MIDDLE CLASS AREAS!!!! YOU LIAR PROPAGANDIST c****e FRAUD!!!!
Answered By: james b - 5/24/2007 |
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Cannon Fodder. Look it up.
Answered By: Oldvet - 5/24/2007 |
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See them at Harvard University every year.
How many poor people do you know at Harvard??
Answered By: tom l - 5/24/2007 |
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Poor people have fewer options than rich people. Always been that way.
Answered By: go avs! - 5/24/2007 |
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You shouldn't look at it like that. The recruiters are letting it be known there is a way out of the projects by enlisting. This has enabled a lot of people the opportunity to get a college degree or make the military their career. The rich send their children to military school, and these children end up graduating as a commissioned officer.
My brother-in-law was an underpriviledged child living in the projects. He graduated from highschool and joined the navy. He just retired as an Admiral with his master's in business. After completing his tour, he went to college and got his degree, staying in the reserves. He served for 30 years and will also retire with as many years from his regular job with the city of Oklahoma City public school systems.
Answered By: Sparkles - 5/24/2007 |
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Its how human life is valued. The poor can fight for the rich to get richer.
Answered By: Tumbleweed - 5/24/2007 |
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They want to build character and offer opportunities. There are more youth available with no plans or parents to provide them with family businesses or definite plans.
The Navy is a good place to go.
Answered By: Marissa Di - 5/24/2007 |
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I was in the service once many years ago (decades) and I know where you are coming from. My family when growing up was poor (we were full-fledged English too and not Irish). The military though showed me how to get by in this world and the connected made while serving helped me to get the job that I've held for 19 years.
Answered By: Pissed_Limey - 5/24/2007 |
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Yea, that was pointed out in Farenheit 911. If you havent seen it, watch it! Michael Moore asked some senators to send their kids to Iraq and they were like, "Are you out of your mind!?"
no one said life was fair. and yes it does suck.
Answered By: Sounds of Ed's football game - 5/24/2007 |
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Recruiters + the poor and desperate = army soldiers
Answered By: goodfella - 5/24/2007 |
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Thanks for bringing up a point that has been debated since the beginning of time. We live in a country where "being born equal" is not necessarily true. The point is, there will always be the "haves" and the "have nots." It is all about what you do with what you got. Military service should have nothing to do with it. Recruiters go to where they know they will be able to recruit. That answers your question. Anybody that voluntarily joins the military does that by their own choice. They don't have to.
Answered By: ttown_69 - 5/24/2007 |
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They focus mainly on poor neighborhoods because it's a good opportunity for those kids to do something worth while with their life....The Army will give them options and choices that they may not have had otherwise. I definitely dont think their should be a draft....I think the men and women who VOLUNTEER are true hero's....You can't MAKE people do what our soldiers are doing. Some people just aren't cut out for it. And there are ALOT of soldiers in the Army who's parents are rich....and even politicians kids.....The Army isn't about MONEY....It's a choice....it's a way of life. And our soldiers are defending the fact that we HAVE a choice.
Answered By: curious - 5/24/2007 |
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It isn't as if they'll only take poor kids, they just know that the opportunities they can provide will be most attractive to people in those neighborhoods. Rich kids aren't as likely to be enticed by the G.I. Bill. If you know a rich kid who'd like to enlist, I'm sure they'd be happy to send him to boot camp too.
Answered By: beardog4314 - 5/24/2007 |
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Probably for the same reason Bush and Cheney's kids don't sign up, and why their dads get to throw away hundreds of lives while they got to take every defferment they could to avoid Vietnam. Remember Cheney saying " he had better things to do?" read up on it. The military SHOULD recruit in ALL neighborhoods. Also, maybe going into the poor areas gives them free training, they survive Compton they can survive Iraq??? just a thought.
Answered By: vinlunney - 5/24/2007 |
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As a former recruiter, I can say that we don't target specific income groups. We are assigned by number of people in the local schools. I had 15 highschools from farming communities to the wealthiest area in the state. The average person that joins, from my experience, is a white male, 18-21 years old, some college, from a the middle class. The poor are less likely to join due to the fact that there are so many programs for free education, housing etc. The rich join only when they feel a sence of responsibity of serving thier country. The middle class however join for many reasons ranging from money for school, patriotism, tradition, or wanting to gain intangibles such as discipline, pride etc...
Answered By: jaree s - 5/24/2007 |
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What is wrong with military recruiters in poor neighborhoods? I see nothing "unfair" about that -- the military has many great things to offer people. Yes there is a risk of going to war - every single person who enlists realizes that.
It has nothing to do with rich, poor, politicians kids, etc etc -- it's an opportunity that is being offered. The reality is that affluent communities are more likely to have children who are heading to college - and therefore less interest in the military as a career. Why would the recruiters not be located in an area where they have something to offer that is of benefit to the people of that community?
Answered By: Susie D - 5/24/2007 |
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And just why should children of parents who have worked hard to achieve their goal be singled out? Talk about reverse discrimination!
The recruiters are in poor neighborhoods because they have a greater chance of finding people willing to sacrifice not only for their country, but for the option of gaining a decent education.
Answered By: leslie - 5/24/2007 |
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It only makes sense. Rich people dont need the money recruiters offer someone to join up. Secondly, no one, but no one makes those approached by recruiters accept the money and join up. Obviously, those that do, want out of the hood.....!
Answered By: bafofam - 5/24/2007 |
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The recruiters are just doing their job and making their numbers.
a signing bonus and promise of a brighter future means more to a kid in the ghetto than it does to a kid with a silver spoon in their mouths.
think about this....
how many of the bev hills kids are involved in illegal acitivities?
how many kids in the ghetto are involved in illegal activities?
probably a lot more than the bev hills kids.
sure, there are exceptions, but if a recruiter can take a gang banger and give them another choice...then more power to em.
OR if they can offer a different future to a kid that is living in a gang land...then more power to them.
it's not always what you think.
what good is a politician's kid going to do over there anyway???
survive?? doubt it. they don't know how to do that. they will just add to the death total.
i, do, understand your point...i just think you're going about things the wrong way and not being realistic.
Answered By: joey322 - 5/24/2007 |
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Because urban areas are easy targets: Traditionally poor neighborhoods, not a lot of education, et cetera. So they offer bonus and payment for education and that's a lot of peoples ticket out. Wealthy children don't need the government's help. Some do join military, mainly as officers though.
You scare me with the draft thing though. I think the draft is wrong. I think your basis on why we should even have a draft and who should have to go to war is not logical at all. I think you are just a little bitter towards the privileged. Some politicians do have kids in combat zones as we speak and so do some wealthy people.
Answered By: The Saint - 5/24/2007 |
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They are in poor neighborhoods because the people there have no chance of going to college unless they get the money from the U.S.
For this reason, the recruiting process allows kids to get a chance to get to get a good job. So in general it is a good thing that they are in poor neighborhoods.
Answered By: Smart_Monkey - 5/24/2007 |
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You sound pretty ignorant.
Answered By: Jessica - 5/24/2007 |
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Because rich people have a job, armies traditonaly recruit from the poor, unemployed areas worldwide.
Answered By: conranger1 - 5/24/2007 |
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Well it all depends on what u do with ur life and how u use ur opportunities
Answered By: zee - 5/24/2007 |
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They prey on the poor kids because they know the kids cannot afford college and they have a quota to meet.
I agree with drafting the spoiled rich brats.
Answered By: Beautiful Disaster - 5/24/2007 |
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The reason you don't see them in rich neighborhoods is because the recruit rate is low. Most people join the military because they need money. That is why the rich keep the poor ....poor. Because If everything was equal then they might have to fight the good fight.
Answered By: MMP - 5/24/2007 |
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First off...it's a volunteer military. Nobody is forcing poor kids into the military.
Second, based on demographics, the people most likely to join the military actually come from the middle class. Lower Middle to Upper Middle. I've served with people from really poor families or no family, to a guy that left Princeton to join the military. I was enlisted, but I've also seen officers from poor families and those from middle to rich families.
Third, recruiters are assigned territory...how they cover that territory is up to the branch of service, the regional recruiters office policies, and the local top rank recruiter's policies. And when there is no policy to apply, the recruiter himself makes judgement calls on how best to meet eligible recruits and get them to sign up.
Answered By: Absolut Martini - 5/24/2007 |
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I am sorry but that is wrong in so many ways. The military is a complete voluntary service. The military does not want forced fighters. As far as the rich? If you hate them so bad, stop cashing those pay checks that come from them. They have the same freedoms as you do. If you never pursued big business or opportunities then it is not governments fault. It is not big businesses fault. If no one mentored you, or you never took the risk then you have to accept your own fate.
Placing miliary recruiting around area's of lower income is actually given them an opportunity.
Oh and click the link for your local Beverly hills Army Recruiters office 90232 next to 90210
Answered By: a2z_4me - 5/24/2007 |
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I don't consider shopping malls a "poor neighborhood", I guess since you live in Beverly Hills it would seem that way to you.
Answered By: Mr.Wise - 5/24/2007 |
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The reason you "always" see Army recruiters in "poor" neighborhoods is nice fiction. When I was a Navy Recruiter, I was assigned an area, as was all my fellow recruiters and we didn't leave any neighborhoods uncovered, rich or poor.
The perception that the "poor" or "middle class" neighborhoods are "targeted" probably comes from percentages. How many recruitable people are you likely to find in poor to middle class neighborhoods as compared to upper class neighborhoods.
Now consider how many kids from upper class families are going to college on mommy and daddy's dime, whereas the kids in middle to lower class neighborhoods need to find scholarships, grants and loans (God have Mercy on them).
Now the thing to remember about your draft idea is John Kerry was drafted in Vietnam. Has 3 Purple Hearts, along with other prestigous medals, yet there is no record of him ever being treated in a MASH unit, field hospital, or any place else for combat related injuries. His record shows that he was "In Country" for 3 months (The standard tour was 15 months I believe).
President Clinton in his endorsement for Kerry said that John Kerry was from a family of "Privilege" and he could have easily avoided the draft as he and President Bush had. Bush was in the Air National Guard and Clinton was a convicted Felon Draft Evader (Pardoned by President Jimmie Carter).
The fact is that the men and women that are willing to give their life for their country are now and have always been primarily from families of modest means who were taught the values of our freedoms and the obligation to defend them.
Finally I ask you to consider who you want next to you on that ship or in that foxhole or on board that aircraft, the prim and prper rich kid that thinks nothing of anything or anyone else unless there is an immediate advantage to him or the person raised with values that would lay down his life to save his comrads.
Not all people of privilage took the easy way out, President Bush (The first one) was a pilot in WWII who was shot down and rescued by a submarine near Iwo Jima. We all know about JFK and PT-109 and we'll never forget Eisenhower as a field General in the European theater during WWII as well, President Carter was on a Submarine. There have been many past Presidents with military wartime experience who served honorably.
Answered By: Jim - 5/24/2007 |
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I would like to point out two things while answering your question. the first is; in America today we have the selective service. basically signing up for the draft if we ever use it again. All males who reach the age of voting must register in order to vote. So in effect all men of age could be in effect drafted.
We choose to have an all voluntary force because it tends to work better and bring in better candidates that enable a more viable force. Proved by the fact that we have the best force on the face of the planet.
to answer the main question, It makes more sense to sell an opportunity for a more prosperous life to one who is disadvantaged by conditions. It is still a choice that one makes.
The assumption that recruiters aren't in rich neighborhoods is a false assumption, however they are less visible in the community because the recruitees from those communities more often approach the recruiter as compared to the depressed community where the opportunity when presented is more likely to be acted upon.
Answered By: Thomas from Miisk - 5/24/2007 |
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No one wants to grow up poor - or be labled as being from the projects. Youth that grow up in a poor neighborhood look for ways out and to make money. Some go to gangs and drugs - we all know where that leads, some try sports and to get an athletic scholarship - those are rare, some try the book avenue and try to get academic scholarships - again they are tough. The military provides security - a pay check, health benifits, a roof over your head, great role models, and training that you can take places. Employeers have a great deal of respect for prior servicemen - they see them as loyal, being a leader and knowing how to follow, and being selfless. The military instills self respect - I am sure that a kids growing up being told that they are never going to be anything or that they are going to live off welfare needs some self respect - knowing that they can be successful and make a difference. Yes I know that many just join because of the enlistment $ - but I believe that many young people join because of the enlistment $. And yes I know that not all people come out of the militart being the perfect citizen and the perfect role model - but there are many people that are greatful for the path that the military has put them on. Weither recruiters target poor neighborhoods - that I don't know, but it really wouldn't surprise me - is it because we want the poor to fight for the rich - not at all. Many kids that come from middle / upper class families have their parents pushing college, many in the lower class have parents saying make somethinig of yourself - but probably not telling them how. I come from a military family and my husband is in the military - there really aren't classes that I have found in the military because our pay is based on rank - just people that are wiser than others.
Answered By: jess b - 5/24/2007 |
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So in your opinion the only way to avoid being shot in war is to be poor? Exactly how fair is your system? The children of the rich, the affluential, and by your definition, Brad and Angelina's kids, and Tom and Katie's daughter, should be drafted and sent off to war, because they were born into families with money. Now, the children who have received a lesser education ( statistics are there, the schools in the poor neighborhoods have higher drop out rates and less programs in the schools) are now the ones left to lead this country. So by virtue of being born rich, you should be the one killed in a war?
My brother was military for 16 years. We had money. My father owned his own business. But it was the right decision for him. And he made a great living after coming out of the Army. He learned a lot of what he knows using it in everyday work in the military, and now hold several certs from Microsoft and CompTIA. Now, what chance does a poor kid have of ever getting those same certs on their own? But any person, poor or rich, could have followed that path and come out to do well for themselves.
So, kids that come from middle and upper class do choose the military. But many will go on the college on their own. But going to a poor neighborhood offers the kids a chance to get out of a bad situation and possibly help their family.
Is there a chance of seeing battle? Sure, every person in the military has taken that chance, and are proud to defend our country.
Draft goes not on income of the family, but the health and ability of the person drafted. And if some of the females get their way, females will be drafted as well. So hang in there, you might get to meet the kids of politicians yet.
Answered By: faith - 5/24/2007 |
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