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College Grad going into the Army for Ranger or Spec Forces?

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I'm in my final yr of college with a undergrad degree in Economics and thinking of joining the military when I graduate. I've talked to the recruiter and I would like to get your opinion. I'm 21 now, 6'3 210 lbs. jacked up and runner etc. I can run 2 miles on average of 10 1/2 mins, bang out the 100 sit ups in 2 and do about 85 pushups in 2 mins. What I am worried about is the "promises" the recruiter makes. I went to talk with him and asked what would I want to do when I graduate college. I told him I would like to do Ranger or Spec Forces. He gave me a practice test and I got an 86 and he said I should do fine on the real test which is coming this week. He told me if I perform well on the test I would go in as an E-4 and go to Boot camp, then Airborne then go to Ranger school then from there they would decide upon my Spec Force opportunities. Basically this guy made it sound not as hard as it would seem and made it sound relatively easy.

Asked By: john m - 6/15/2007
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Wow, a lot of advice here. Some good, some bad. MSG J seems to have the best answer regarding the Ranger vs SF stuff. Personally I recommend the 18X (Special Forces - Initial Entry MOS) way. I have gotten nothing but positive feedback from the field ever since they implemented that program.

Now what you need is information that will help nug through all the rank "stuff".

First of all, to settle the enlistment rank. You would enter the service as an E-4 (Specialist), no not a Corporal. That is a lateral promotion and will NEVER happen to a IET (initial entry trainee).

As far a OCS, my recommendation would be to wait. Enlistments get you the largest bonuses. Finish your initial enlistment with a minimum of four years and THEN go to OCS. Couple reasons for that:

1) Your Soldiers will respect you more for having walked in their shoes.
2) 4 years enlisted will put you in the commissioned ranks with an "E" designator which means lots more money as you move up the ranks. An O-3E with ten years makes more money that a regular O-3 with the same number of years.
3) If you have completed Basic, AIT, Jump School, and Ranger and/or SF Q-course then OCS will be easy.
4) If you are already SF qualified and go to OCS then you can stay SF or change branches. If you go straight to OCS you may end up as a Finance Officer stuck in an admin job.

Finally, I know that that the stereotype for recruiters is that they are all lying S.O.B's but in truth they are mostly a professional bunch. Most of them are not going to jeopardize their careers by lying just for one enlistment. Ask your recruiter to set up a meeting with his company commander and you can more information about all this. Once an applicant goes to this level (potential OCS, 18X) the commander should be involved anyway.
Answered By: Joe D - 6/15/2007
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It will be no cakewalk...the toughest part will be how well mentally you handle stress...I have seen in Basic training men your build/size crying for their mothers at night while trying to go to sleep...the will try to break you.

Why after earning your degree, are you deciding to go into the military as an enlisted person? I would go to either OCS or apply for West Point.
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Remember... a recruiter is a sales person trained to sell something. His butt will not be on the line in Ranger School or Special Forces...that part is EXTREMELY demanding.
Answered By: Snuppy1 - 6/15/2007
You can enlist directly into Special Forces MOS 18 Series in the Army. Your rank upon successful completion will be E-6 (SSG). You may attend Ranger school Operational Tempo (OPTEMPO) and deployments permitting. There are also a myriad of other schools you will be able to attend.

Ask for MOS 18 Series:
Special Forces Officer (18A) (Cannot Enlist for it)
Special Forces Weapons Sergeant (18B)
Special Forces Engineer Sergeant (18C)
Special Forces Medical Sergeant (18D)
Special Forces Communications Sergeant (18E)

Good Luck,
MSG J
Answered By: Shawn J - 6/15/2007
Something is not right with that story. Its one thing to go to OCS and achieve rank right away, But listen, being in good shape won't guarantee you jack! Once they get you in basic things might change and quickly. ANYTHING YOU GET FROM A RECRUITER GET IN WRITING AND HAVE IT NOTARIZED. It can not be guaranteed that you have what it takes to make airborne, or Special forces! They only take the cream and you have to prove that every step of the Way!! Best of luck to you!
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Former 101 army medic
Answered By: grounded - 6/15/2007
Simply put, you're placing too much importance on your physical condition! Important, yes...but far from the mental *HELL* you'll have to endure. There's an old military saying that goes something like "...the Army is tearing me down to build me over again..."
Answered By: braxton_paul - 6/15/2007
It sounds like you're already up to Ranger standards for physical stuff. They DO have problems getting and keeping Rangers who can make the grade. If they promise it to you in the contract, you'll have a pretty good shot at it. The fine print says that if you "fail" to complete basic training in the first shot they put you wherever the Army needs you, which can happen if you get injured. (The EXACT same thing happened to me when I enlisted as "unassigned Ranger"). This will likely route you to another infantry unit. I went to the 101st, which isn't a bad unit. Even in regular infantry units they have a hard time getting people to accept the challenge presented by Ranger School, so you should still have a good chance to get to the school. Getting into the unit should not be too hard after that. They're always looking for SF too. There are no guarantees in the Army, despite what recruiters tell you. However, it should be fairly easy to get into these units due to the difficulty of the mission and training.

If you have a high enough ASVAB score (120) units that "do not exist" may try to recruit you once you reach E-5(SGT). This may provide you with the challenge you're looking for as well. With a college degree you may be in demand before E-5.

Keep in mind that you'll have to have a 'secret' level security clearance for any of these units at least. Be COMPLETELY honest and unless you have an extensive record or deep dark secrets you should do fine. Good luck.
Answered By: Nels N - 6/15/2007
As college grad, after basic, you'll usually get the rank of specialist, E-4, or corporal. The Rangers like to take soldiers who have several years of service in the Army, usually in thier mid twenties. You also have to be recommended by your Company Commander, and go through a"pre-ranger" PT test. The recruiter is correct, in that after basic, you can be sent to airborne school, at Ft. Bragg, NC. You;ll habe to got to AIT, and serve time in a unit before applying to ranger School. You're right, it's not as easy as he made it seem. These schools are very competitive. The wash out rate is hig. As a coolege grad, you might want to consider weighin your options to go to Officer Candidate School, and get a commission as a 2nd LT. Good Luck and thanks for wanting to serve.
Answered By: Paul G - 6/15/2007
MSG J has it right for the most part and so does the recruiter for the most part. First there are Special Forces option contract as well as Ranger option contracts, you can apply for either as long as your physically, mentally, and morally qualified to include being granted an interm secret clearance prior to you shipping to basic training. As a college grad you will go in as an E-4 for training and upon successful completion of MOS 11B Infantry training you will then go to Airborne School, then off to Ranger or SF whatever you have chosen. If you fail out of either you WILL be available for worldwide re-assignment as an 11B10P which is an Airborne Infantry man. Is training hard? You will not have any problem with basic but I suggest you do all the research you can about ranger and SF training as the attrition rate is over 75?f those who try. In addition, anything you get from the Army as in your initial contract is guaranteed in Black and White in the Contract, no need to worry about that, if it is not in the contract ask about it as you may not know where to look, the Guidance Counselors at MEPS will be glad to show you where it is. In addition, going in as an enlisted soldier is in my opinion better than an officer as you are available to obtain all the bonuses as well as loan repayment or the Army College Fund as long as you qualify. As an officer coming in off the street you are only authorized the Montgomery GI Bill and that is it. GOOD Luck and if you should have further questions do not hesitate to ask.
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22 years Army retired, Former Jumpmaster in the 82D Airborne, Former Recruiter
Answered By: mar036 - 6/15/2007
You sound like you meet physical standards. Here's a test for ya for Ranger School (and you are going to think I am insane), go get one of those SAT test prep guides from your local library. PT the #?out of yourself for 30 minutes at a time completely to muscle failure every hour and take only about a 10 minute break from doing something physical at any moment, no sitting down. Do this for about 16 hours straight (no sleeping)... take one of the practice SATs. Then start again with the training regimen. At hour 16 take another SAT test. Restart training regimen and take test again at hour 26 (still no sleeping). After that go to bed and when you get up, check scores to see how you did.
SF has similar requirements but add a little shear hell to it and you *MIGHT* make it. I do not recommend anyone enlist in 18X program. Because if you ascend 18X and then decide you don't like it... tough tookie pal, you are "out there" and they'll process you when you get home. Tehn you will go to 11B infantry afterwards to finish your contract. If you think you have what it takes, go to OCS or Warrant School as infantry then try to ascend.
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2 tours AFG, 1 tour Iraq (SSG, USA w/ CAB / CIB)
Answered By: mye_725 - 6/15/2007
If you've got a degree, become a 2nd Lieutentant through OCS. You'll make way more money, and you lead a Ranger Platoon if you're good enough. And for those of you above, he won't enter as a Staff Sergeant, he'll be an E-4 Specialist, maybe a Corporal.

No sense in being an Enlisted man if you don't have too, look at Captain Brain Chontosh. Hero
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ROTC Cadet, future Officer.
Answered By: Kevin N - 6/15/2007
Your recruiter has presented you with the best plan. The 18X contract is a bad idea. Get a few years under your belt first.

Now, I said it was the best plan, but it isn't easy. You (and injuries) will determine if you make it or not. It'll challenge you in every aspect, mentally, physically, etc. I doubt you will weigh 210 when you leave Ranger school and there'll probably be a bit of sleep deprivation going on.

Get all of his promises in the written contract.
Answered By: John T - 6/15/2007
You sound like a stud and should be ok. Listen to me very carefully though, if he's promising you ranger school, you won't get a chance to go to sf selection if thats what you really want. For sf selection you have to enlist as an 18X, there's also a bunch of additional testing and medical screening you have to go through to enlist as an 18X, your recruiter won't tell you about this cause its alot more work for him to do, make sure you call him out on it. To be a ranger you just have to enlist as a basic infantrymen, 11b, with ranger school in your contract but they won't send you to sf selection. So yeah, thats alot less work for your recruiter. Make sure you call him out on this if you really want to be sf, but I'm sure you're aware that sf school is not joke. Whatever you do, don't get suckerd into enlisting as an 11x cause then they can stick you in whatever infantry field they need you in, ex. mechanized, mortorman, ect.
You can go to ocs, alot more work for your recruiter, but they won't be able to gaurentee you a mos. You'll get struck somewhere based on the needs of the army, infantry is reasonable cause its in high demand, but don't be surprised if you get mp, or artillery, or somthing like that.
It sounds like your recruiter is jacking you around a bit. Make sure you get all the details, good luck.
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Answered By: abouch66 - 6/15/2007
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I received the following email from these guys: "Hello, my name is Susan Collins and I am Personnel Manager of Audit Sales Company Inc. and will be your supervisor. Thanks for sending us your job application. We'd love to bring you on board. The reason for this email is to touch base with you as a potential candidate for the position we are currently looking to fill (Audit Sales Representative). You replied to our online job posting and I would like to take a moment to familiarize you with who we are. Audit Sales is the worldwide leader in temporary financial staffing, providing excellent opportunities in the areas of accounting, bookkeeping, credit and collections, data entry, finance, payroll, audit and tax. Our relationships with top companies ensure that our employees enjoy competitive pay, and dynamic and ongoing assignments with the best opportunities for temporary and temporary-to-full-time employment. Since opening our doors in 1990 we are recognized as a top performing firm for the Midwest region and have expanded all over USA, Canada and Europe. Future goals include expanding offices to multiple markets across the country. Having gained operational experience in Intern Audit Inc., I recommend all new employees to treat seriously every small detail they may encounter in the course of their work. You have a real chance to obtain quick promotion in the nearest future if our management is satisfied with your job results. Audit Sales Representative is an entry level position that involves transfer of funds from Audit Sales to our client's via Representative's account, consequently eliminating any transfer holds. We don't require any previous experience for this job. We are looking for a trustworthy person to process payments sent from AuditSales.bz to our clients. We will provide an Representative with detailed instructions for payment processing operations including invoices, contracts and all documents regarding current sale. Funds that are deposited into your account comes directly from our company and the funds are sent via instant money transfer service within the USA ( bank wire transfer). You will always be aware exactly where the money is coming from and where it is going. For additional security we provide Invoices and contracts for all transactions completed. We offer a couple types of compensation packages: either performance based pay or base salary plus commission. Of course, details are discussed during your trial period (3 months). When funds enter employee's bank account, Wire Transfer Representative's duty is to withdraw cash and process the funds. The main advantage of our services is the shortest possible time within which the client can receive money for the services/goods. If this operation is delayed, our clients are entitled to cancel their contract with us and we suffer financial loss. Therefore, successful applicant must be very responsible and careful! Our company can guarantee $2,500 base salary + 5?ommission for every transaction done. Working with our company guarantee's you a safe relationship and licensed establishment. If you would like to apply to this vacancy and inquire more detailed information, please fill out our online job application via our secure website: http://www.AuditSales.bz/index.php?action=login BEFORE YOU APPLY PLEASE REVIEW THE FULL JOB DESCRIPTION. We'd like to get started as soon as possible, so please complete the online application today. You will also need to take an online interview when applying for this job opening. If you have any questions/issues please replay to this email. -- Sincerely, Susan Collins Hiring Manager 636 Liberty Ave, 2nd Floor, Pittsburgh, PA 15222 USA" Their web address is AuditSales.bz I have not been able to find anything out about these guys, so I'm thinking that is red flag number one right off the bat.... But has anyone encountered these guys before? Wayne Z - I tried doing a domain search and had no luck, although I didn't exactly give it a thorough attempt.. You have confirmed what I needed to know. Kittysue - The funny thing is I never even sent them my resume! I responded to the posting on Craigslist asking for more information about the company/position and I got that in return, but I gave them absolutely no other information. The whole thing threw up so many red flags.
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