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What trickles down in the trickle down economy?

I have owned a service company for 30+ years now. The people who work for me are unskilled laborers with limited education.
During the 1990s, demand for services was high. I employed over 60 people, with starting pay at $14 per hour with medical benefits. The 1990s were good and the company prospered.
The last 7 years have been entirely different. Demand has fallen. This year is proving to be the worst in all my years of business. I am down to 12 employees. New hires start at $8 per hour, and I no longer can offer medical benefits.
What is different, for the most part, is my customer base. During the 90s, The majority of my customers were middle-class people. Very little of my business was with corporations and wealthier individuals. Today that trend is reversed. Most of my customers today are big corporations, who continuously demand lower prices from me in order to retain their business. Wealthy individual do the same as well. They haggle to squeeze the lowest price possible.
It's clear to me, at least, that the money in this country has been concentrated at the top on the income chain over the last 7 years. What has trickled down is lower wages at the already low wage levels.
Big business and wealthy people do not create more jobs when they have more money. The concentration of wealth at the top of the chain has only allowed investment in foreign developing country, where big business can hire cheaper labor. This process is taking more and more money out of circulation in this country, which leaves less money for those people at the bottom of the chain.
In my experience, prosperity for me has been dependent on a healthy middle-class, not a wealthier wealthy class. The middle-class seems to be accepting this trade off because big business is delivering cheaper consumer products, saving them money. All the while, however, the cost of necessities are increasing at a rate surpassing their income growth. No one seems to be noticing that demand is dwindling in this country from the bottom income spenders, who spend the most of their incomes in the market.
People who work for me can no longer afford to buy items like TVs, new cars, or what have you. People who work for me have moved to lower rent neighborhoods with higher crime rates. Their standard of living has declined. People who work for me no longer have medical coverage and have their medical bills covered by state programs, taxpayers money.
As long as America holds onto this trickle down economic system, the lower income wage earners are going to earn lower and lower wages. Their basic needs will have to be paid by taxpayers. Companies like mine will disappear because their isn't enough profit to make it worthwhile.

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President of the United States, serving his second term until January of 2009, after finishing his first in Jan. of 2005.

Widely regarded as the worst or second worst president ever - for obvious reasons: In his four years and 4 months in office, he's ruined ever Social System in place, some as old as FDR's adminstration.

Economically, the Bush Administration is a total failure. A record deficit, pushing $750 Billion dollars (3/4ths of a Trillion) has been made from the Clinton Administration's surplus of $850 Billion (as recorded in January 2000). Import/Export rates have plummetted, unemployment is at one of the highest levels since the depression, and the dollar no longer holds its own with the only monetary competitor - the Euro. The current exchange rate as of writing this is $1.55 for ever 1 Euro.

Domestically, the Bush Administration is also a failure - Not since the Revolutionary War has the United States been so hated in Europe, and our growing reputation of being "The World Police" doesn't help. International Companies are feeling the pressure of being tied to the USA through corporate alliances and whatnot, while international tourism has dropped significantly since September 11th, 2001.

The wars in both Afganistan and Iraq, as well as the inevitable wars with Iran, Syria, Lebanon, and perhaps North Korea, have further fueled the Anti-War front to take action - on the second anniversary of the Iraq war, there were 5,000 protests worldwide, numbering in the hundereds of thousands of people gathering for one cause - the only other thing that has gathered that many people was the death of the Pope John Paul II.

The Bush Administrations policy of deceit doesn't end there though - The justifacation for war was that Iraq had Nuclear weapons, none of which were ever found. After their pretext for war was unveiled, they quickly shifted their agenda to "Liberating" the Iraq people, but after two years of occupation there, 63?f the Iraq population loathes Americans, and that number is apparent in the increasing nationalist insurgent attacks across Iraq.

Some other miscellaneous facts about the Bush Administration include privatizing Social Security, in essance, putting S.S. decisions in the hands of 'the working man', people who don't have economic or accounting experiance, in the hopes that they'll mess up and the government won't have to pay up. Other negating factors include the funding of a perspective Military Draft, drilling for oil in the last artic wildlife reserve funded by the US, and reports that both the 2000 and 2004 elections were stolen. While the former election may have been, it's unclear, although the 2004 elections have much more proof - noteably the fact that the touch-screen voter machines used in both Ohio and Florida were manufactured by Vice President Dick Cheney's 'former' company, Halliburton.

Unfortunatly, Bush will continue to lead our great country into ruin until 2008 rolls around and he cannot run again. Thankfully, republicans around the country are realizing what they did on November 2nd, 2004, and in the last month alone, Bush's approval ratings are 30?elow what they were on Election day. Despite what neoconservative whiners say, the GOOD people of America will win this battle, even if it takes another 3 and a half years.

"George Bush is the current President of the United States, and by far the most hated of them all for his devious tactics, treachery, and greed"
Answered By: Bassman - 6/23/2007
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Not much
Answered By: don45123 - 6/23/2007
The same thing that trickled down RWR's leg every time he went to the bathroom!
Answered By: Monk - 6/23/2007
You do not mention what the service is? It would be useful to know all the details before coming to a conclusion.
Answered By: jhl - 6/23/2007
Trickle Down Economy = US 1?et richer and move corporations to China = Chinese people gets jobs and build nuclear bombs = aim it at the US

They also prefer to build castles in Europe
Answered By: Taco - 6/23/2007
This is an excellent observation, related by one who is speaking from direct experience.

The only thing the American labor force has seen "trickle down" to the people who actually do the work, is poverty, crime and impotent rage.

One more example of that "Compassionate Conservatism" we all used to hear SO much about during Gingrich's bogus "Contract With America" days. Their compassion seems to start and stop at their own front doors.

Maybe what we need in America is a general labor strike, a "blue flu" if you will. Maybe things have gotten so bad the only way to wake up corporate America is to STOP being exploited by Bush's "Haves" and "Have Mores". These groups are behind the concepts that Labor Unions (also known as "Collective Bargainers") are anti-American, socialist, or worse (in their eyes), when all Collective Bargaining REALLY is, is the outgrowth of the propostion that the little guy has little clout at the bargaining table, but millions of "little guys" have MUCH more clout and, since Labor is responsible for everything which gets made or processed in this country, shutting down a business during a General Labor Strike is not only effective, in the eyes of Corporate America, it is enough of a threat to be of great concern to them.

If these ultra wealthy, un-American members of the "elite" class had to wash their own clothes, prepare their own meals, mow their own lawns and raise their own children, they might come to appreciate the "little guy" more and show that appreciation by actually paying them a living wage, to do the jobs they consider themselves "above doing", such as cop, nurse, teacher, services and soldiers.
Answered By: Bert T - 6/23/2007
This is an eloquent and indeed moving testimonial. The problem with conservative economic policies is that they are based on Milton Friedman - and have never been updated as so many exigencies have changed over the decades. Economics isn't an absolute - it's a tool, but cons don't understand that.
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Oh yeah - MBA and MPP
Answered By: Alias Smith & Jones - 6/23/2007
Basically nothing.
Answered By: Roy - 6/23/2007
Hey bassman, thats the best answer i have heard on this site. but wait until those bush loving, rush want to be's respond to it
Answered By: jimmy z - 6/23/2007
Think of it as the Tinkle down economy and you will get its true meaning.

Did you know Regan suffered from Altzheimers when he came up with that theory? And that is was writting on a cocktail napkin the night before the inauguration. Not only didn't his supporters realize the man was mentally defecient, they elected him for a second term! And he was SOOOO bad in his second term that his own staff almost had to impeach him.

But, you nailed the problem with conservative economics perfectly. It's all for the big guy and the little guy can just eat dirt.

Kudos on paying your employees a good wage. You are a decent person. And that is a rare thing these days.
Answered By: Fancy That - 6/23/2007
You believe that higher taxation, meaning we all pay more to pay the corporate taxes is the fix? Would you consider instead that it is the way we have dealt with illegals in this country for the last eight years that is the real culprit? Clinton did enforce our immigration laws ,not the best but he did, George Bush has all but stopped enforcement.

The influx of cheap labor means that those who once made middle income wages at these jobs are now replaced with those who work for less. In order to retain their jobs they must work for less or find new employment. A minimum of 12 million illegals takes a huge bite out of our economy.

You are correct, corporations will always seek the lowest cost but if there are not those that will work for substandard wages then the lowest cost is still a fair price. Taxation only means higher cost to the consumer.
Answered By: Locutus - 6/23/2007
The dwindling wages of working Americans is nothing new .
We have moved from a manufacturing based economy to a service based economy .
This means plenty of work for low wages .
Everyplace you look shopping malls and plaza's , fast food places , and nail salons .When the average woman in America goes to get her hands and feet manicured/pedicured for less then $50.00 you begin to see how those with a little more income waste it on services they could do themselves at home if they had any friends .
Everyone lives in a little cocoon of their own making . Dad and Mom work and the kids are dropped at daycare or school or the hire a nanny . They go off and earn the money come home and do it again week after week . They mind their own business and once a year around Christmas have a party . Yet none of the neighbors are invited .
Its a formal party with catered food and some servers hired for the evening .
Its attended by those people who are good for ones career and future .






We have become so separated from our fellow man that we are no longer in it together .
The problems of others are just that , the problems of others .
Its only when you look up and see that the fire is now at your door step and had you done something to help your neighbor down the street three hours ago or heeded the pleas of others as it spread you would not be yelling help help my house is on fire someone please help me save it .



The media has done little to foster a sense of community and anytime you say community today its linked to communism of some kind . People volunteering to help people is gone except by those whose therapists suggest they get out of the house and do something .
Answered By: trouble maker - 6/23/2007
That warm fuzzy feeling trickling down from above isn't coins clinking down your back.
Answered By: flushles - 6/23/2007
The downside to trickle down economics is that the wealthier get wealthier. Our jobs get outsource to foreign countries and in the end the middle class gets a kick in the ass.
Answered By: cynical - 6/23/2007
Lies, poverty and the ever lowering life-style of average Americans is what most get from the trickle-down theory. Most of my work is in the largest, self-contained retirement community in the U.S., it's called The Villages and located in central Florida. I wouldn't call these people super wealthy but I'm sure many of them can be called millionaires. These are the people who fought in the second world war and returned to America to go to work for General Electric, Ford, GM, Westinghouse, RCA, etc. The fifties, where one in three workers in America belonged to a union. Life was good, companies were strong and people made a good living. Somewhere along the line of this ideal situation where everyone was making money, somebody or a group of somebodies decided they weren't making enough and the slow destruction of the middle-class was started and it has quickened over the years to what we have now. It's the decisions of those in power, many of which are from corporate America who later become politicians who then pass legislation to further channel the wealth of America to a select group in big business, with the lie of trickle down attached. There is no such thing as free market, it's all manipulated, condensed through mergers strangling competition and giving business an iron fist to contol their own destiny at the expense of the everyday worker. Throw in millions of illegals taking the lower paying jobs in America and the workers who earn the least suffer the most. To me trickle down means the more those at the top can keep, the less trickles down. For those old enough who can look back at the fifties, can you honestly say trickle down economics has made this country better today than it was then?
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Edit. Thanks for a very interesting question. What a pleasure to actually have to think about an answer.
Answered By: right you are ken - 6/23/2007
Wow. I must say, well said. I think you hit the nail on the head. As to your question... let me posit these thoughts:

Did the wealthy become wealthy by giving away money or did they get wealthy by holding onto as much money as possible? (Not counting inherited money, obviously.)

I think the answer should be obvious. People operate based on patterns. What logical distinction makes people think that giving money to people who have a displayed pattern of retaining that very money in the hopes that they will somehow buck their traditional pattern?

It's nonsensical to me. As well, you hit the nail on the head regarding where the market really exists... the middle class. The middle class has enough resources not to have to haggle, yet not too much to make it impossible for a decent number of people to enter the middle class. The middle class grows by increasing the value of subsistence jobs which has the net effect of enlivening the market and increasing overall salaries.

Bottom line, when people can't afford to buy the market slows and the effect is compounded. People in the lower and middle class tend to spend all or most of their income in these markets. Wealthy people tend not to and are more likely to support specialty markets.

Jobs are created by the need for a job to be completed, and if the average person can't spend like they could otherwise, demand dwindles. The trickle down model, which relies on the artificial creation of jobs by those with massive resources (ironically, these same people are opposed to government creation of jobs because it's "artificial"... talk about hypocrisy.)... simply does not work efficiently.

It's a broken model forwarded by people for idealistic reasons, and that ideology is created by the very people who stand to benefit most from its being forwarded.
Answered By: leftist1234 - 6/23/2007
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