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Question for EVERYONE -- If a sculptor creates a flawed sculpture, isn't he to blame for the flaws?

If there was something wrong with the clay, shouldn't he have checked first to make sure he was using quality material?

If there was something wrong with the integrity of the structure, shouldn't he have caught that before he was done?

And if not, then I'm sure we can all agree that he's an inept or at least an imperfect craftsman, yes?
kait, you're saying a PERFECT creation can act IMPERFECTLY? Well... what made it "perfect" in the first place? Why call it perfect if it's obviously so susceptible to temptation and disobedience?

Asked By: ZER0 C00L ••AM••VT•• - 8/26/2007
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A quote from "atheist" literature, as opposed to the Bible:
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"And don't tell me God works in mysterious ways," Yossarian continued, hurtling on over her objection. "There's nothing so mysterious about it. He's not working at all. He's playing. Or else, He's forgotten all about us. That's the kind of God you people talk about - a country bumpkin, a clumsy, bungling, brainless, conceited, uncouth hayseed. Good God, how much reverence can you have for a supreme being who finds it necessary to include such phenomena as phlegm and tooth decay in His divine system of creation? What in the world was running through that warped, evil, scatological mind of His when he robbed old people of their power to control their bowel movements? Why in the world did He ever create pain?"

"Pain?" Lieutenant Schiesskopf's wife pounced upon the word victoriously. "Pain is a useful symptom. Pain is a warning to us about bodily dangers."

"And who created the dangers?" Yossarian demanded, He laughed caustically. "Oh, He was really being charitable to us when He gave us pain! Why couldn't He have used a doorbell instead to notify us, or one of His celestial choirs? Or a system of blue-and-red neon tubes right in the middle of each person's forehead? Any jukebox manufacturer worth his salt could have done that. Why couldn't He?"

"People would certainly look silly walking around with red neon tubes in the middle of their foreheads."

"They certainly look beautiful now writhing in agony or stupified with morphine, don't they? What a colossal, immortal blunderer! When you consider the opportunity and power he had to really do a job, and then look at the stupid ugly little mess He made of it instead, His sheer incompetence is almost staggering. It's obvious. He never met a payroll. Why, no self-respecting businessman would hire a bungler like Him as even a shipping clerk!"
Answered By: eV - 8/26/2007
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The funny thing is, is that you know the answer to this, but you pretend you don't and you ask regardless. He created us without sin. We had the potential to sin though, and he knew we would. That doesn't make him inept, that makes him merciful. He knew we would rebel and become murderers, liars, adulterers, etc... and he created us the same. Then he provided the means by which a fallen sinful race could be reconciled to him. What a jerk this guy is huh? I anticipate a counter point along the lines of "well that means he created people knowing they would go to hell". Yes he did. The real question then, is not "why did he do this or that?" the real question deals with whether or not he exists. If you don't think so then why do you care what he "does". If he does exist, then what possible difference could it make what you think about what he chose to do?
Answered By: St. Preachy the verbose - 8/27/2007
Some times, it is true.The sculptor should now the good material.But this may not apply to a beginner.For this reason most people will choose by reputation.
Answered By: STAR-DUST - 8/27/2007
Yes. This is coming from an artist-- any flaws my art contains are mine alone...I created it and it is my responsibility.
Answered By: mathaowny - 8/26/2007
When I check into a hotel, and I find the toilet in my room is full of crap, do you think I call the maid? No, I call the management, and the toilet gets fixed in 5 minutes, and a free bottle of wine suddenly appears in the room too.
Answered By: Aquila - 8/26/2007
In art, flaws is what it's all about.

Look at Greek sculpture . . . the proportions are exaggerated. This is what makes them to appealing. Perfection in art is boring after awhile. Just take a photo for crying out loud.

You'll notice that all the best and popular art avoid exact duplication of reality. Even beautiful female models are impossibly slim and leggy.

Perhaps God decided that humanity would be better off with flaws and that we'd find life more interesting than do the angels in heaven.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Rational-Debate
Answered By: Seeker - 8/26/2007
Whoa, did you read the article about the woman who gave her dog baseball cards to chew on and then sold each card for $400 on ebay? Smart chick. Flawed sells.

Sorry, what was your question?
Answered By: Coco - 8/26/2007
Yes. It's his work.

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Answered By: Ned - 8/26/2007
Yes. If we were to follow up on intelligent design's claims, this is the natural follow-up question. If we can know the designer from his or her design, we should certainly look at the design.

If the design is indeed flawed, it points to an inept designer. Considering that god-believers cannot accept that their omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent god could be inept, it leaves a gaping hole for them to explain.

How can such a perfect god create such an imperfect world?
Source(s):
An atheist perspective
Answered By: CC - 8/26/2007
No.

The art work itself obviously sinned and can only blame itself.
Answered By: James-hova RTR: The Champ - 8/26/2007
See where you're going, but your logic is flawed, for it assumes and projects human characteristics on to the artist with human definitions of flaw and wrong and accountability. Does the clay have free will?

My ways are not your ways and my thoughts are not your thoughts, says the Lord God.
Answered By: CHos3n - 8/26/2007
Naw, the devil made him do it - it's all Satan's fault - the prince of darkness - that's right Beelzebub - Lucifer, the son of the morning - everything's his fault from the beginning to the end.
Answered By: Jack - 8/26/2007
Yes how true and quite comparable to the kind of logic that religious cults use to convince others of their veracity by the use of loose parallels.
Answered By: arily666 - 8/26/2007
Yes, it's true. but sometimes inadvertent flaws make things beautiful and interesting.
Answered By: jeannielunchbox - 8/26/2007
Romans 9:
20. Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21. Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22. What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23. And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
Answered By: celestial eye - 8/26/2007
Sometimes the clay is perfect the sculptor comes to life and is perfect in every detail then it is put on a beautiful pedal-stool for all to witness it's perfection/beauty when someone bumps into the delicate scene and offsets the sculptor causing it to fall - hitting the floor and becoming damaged. The creator was perfect, the creation was perfect, the flaw came from time and outside factors? Satan!!!!!!!!!!!!
Answered By: Mr Math - 8/26/2007
It depends on the medium being sculpted. Obviously your argument doesn't hold up to an ice sculptor. Do you blame him for the ice melting. Understand that God created man to have free will. God didn't want some robots and he didn't want to force them to love him. God did create man to worship him, not because he needs worship but because he is Holy. Do you know what Holy means? I think if you did you would understand that worship is the most reasonable thing you could do with your life.

Your reasoning has a fallacy of presumption.

http://www.logicalfallacies.info/fallaciesofpresumption.html
Answered By: wussupmang - 8/26/2007
I wouldn't blame him unless he had some sort of obligation to produce flawless sculptures, but sure it does mean he's an imperfect craftsman.
Answered By: Elliot - 8/26/2007
Ever hear the story of the cracked pot?

It seems there was a lady that lived at the top of a hill, and every day she went down the hill with 2 clay pots on pole to draw water. One of the pots had a small crack in it near the bottom. Well a neighbor suggested she get rid of it since it was cracked and not good for carrying water. The lady refused, and the neighbor decided to change the topic by commenting on the lovely flowers that were growing by the trail. The woman said that she had known of the crack in the pot and had planted flowers on that side of the trail, so every time she carried water for the house she was watering the flowers. What others saw as a flaw she used to create beauty. So it is with us, we all have flaws but God can make something beautiful from them.

I hop this illustration hels you understand that the thing you see as a flaw may to another be a thing of great beauty.
Answered By: Cowboy Apostle - 8/26/2007
Not if the sculpture was intentionally made to be imperfect. then he did an excellent job just like Jesus did !!!!!!... u loose again...like always.....you are on a v...e...r...y loooooooooong loosing streak !!
Answered By: Live for Jesus - 8/26/2007
The sculpture is not flawed.

Look at it again.
Answered By: Kalevala - 8/26/2007
Yes, I'm an artist too and if I don't create a piece that is perfect than I'm probably just an amateur artist still learning my craft. I've been an artist and writer for many years and the extensive experience helps me make NO mistakes.

IF there's a "mistake," I may have put it there on purpose, for a reason, either to make a statement or to make others think and learn. It's all about my self-expression and the public's perception of what I've done. Some read it one way and some read it other ways.

I always tell my patrons that there's no "right or wrong way" to look at my work; only different. And I like it like that.

(I don't know if I made any sense to you in response to YOUR question, but your question and my answer sure has got ME thinking now! Good question!)

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Answered By: whoseafunnymoose - 8/26/2007
No we can't all agree and I sure don't. Because the Creator and Archetect of this world, is perfect, but it is us that is not. He gave us free will, to choose His way or not. He did not make us into robots. He gave us the ability to reason and think and decide. He gave us a choice to follow Him and obtain life or to follow man and become nothing. We can do nothing without Christ. Man's mistakes and flaws are just that, man's. The integrity of the structure in you is flawed because you are not made whole. You are considered spiritually dead untill you receive the Lord as Lord and savior. Then you obtain eternal life. Then you can be spiritually flawless and whole. Until our bodies are glorified we all are flawed physically and make mistakes. How arrogant of you to sit there and say it is God that is flawed.
Answered By: java - 8/26/2007
I am afraid that your logic does not work. God did not create the flaws in Adam and Eve. He made them perfect.
It was their own choice to sin. What God did was "allow for sin." But he has a backup plan - His Son - Jesus Christ.
1. Man is a sinner
2. Jesus Christ is the Savior.
3. Jesus Christ died to pay the penalty for our sins.
4. Jesus Christ rose from the dead.

Once we receive Christ as our Savior, we are washed clean by his blood and once again, we are "perfect" in God's eyes.
Answered By: kait - 8/26/2007
I know where you're going, cunning one.

Heresy ! God cannot create imperfect sculptures, for He is purrrfect!

Ooops, you're right, there are imperfect sculptures. Damned post-modernist sculptors...

Okay then... Heresy! God has let slip a few imperfect sculptures, but it is part of his Master Plan to test humanity's patience and sense of humor!

There you go. And don't drink and sculpt. Or don't respond to too many Y Q/A drinking questions before sculpting.

> Question for EVERYONE -- If a sculptor creates a flawed sculpture, isn't he to blame for the flaws?
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Answered By: PAR1138 - 8/26/2007
Oh, you ask the BEST questions!

I don't think a perfect being can create anything imperfect -- and if he does, ergo, he's not perfect. Just as a genius has immense trouble acting dumb. It can't be done! *laughs*
Source(s):
Atheist.
Answered By: beletje_vos - 8/26/2007
Flaws....? Is this a question about three dimensional works of art or is it something related to the fantasy of god-existence?

Neglect is neglect... The individual who's head is filled with false notions is as negligent as the sot who's head is filled with alcohol.

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(2) Computer voice recognition already exists, in programs such as Siri and Google Voice and others. But very soon these programs will be so much better. Virtually all the human-staffed customer service call centers will disappear very soon. Human office receptions will be mostly eliminated. (3) McDonald's already has a prototype version of their fast food restaurant with NO human workers on site. (4) Wal-Mart & other retailers already have plans for stores with NO human cashiers. (5) Google's driverless cars and trucks will soon eliminate most drivers of commercial trucks & taxi cabs. (6) IBM's computer "Watson" defeated the best human players on "Jeopardy" about a year ago. Watson had to hear and understand host Alex Trebeck's spoken speech just like the human contestants. IBM created Watson to replace Medical Doctors. 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Everyone will have an e-Reader device. That will be the END of every physical library and bookstore. (9) Soon computers will be able to general characters in movies that are indistinguishable from real humans. Not only actors will lose their jobs, but costume people, makeup people, scene construction people, camera operators, key grips, electricians, lighting experts, etc. (10) New machines are replacing the humans who pick vegetables in fields. (11) New machines are replacing human security guards. (12) Human airplane pilots, both in the military and in commercial service, will soon be extinct. The FAA has already approved testing of drone planes for commercial transportation of non-human cargo. (13) Most trades on Wall Street are already being made by computers. (14) The U.S. Postal Service is doomed. Paying thousands of people to drive around in little trucks to deliver little printed pieces of paper to each household each day is going to seem more and more like idiocy. (15) Most of the reviews and analysis currently being done by human accountants, actuaries, tax experts, and other financial analysts and consultants will be done must better, more more quickly, and much more accurately, by computers. (16) Web sites already are using computer programs to write the text for stories that report on sports games. The program integrates the statistics from the game into a story text that seems to have been written by a human being. (17)Most education at the college and high school level will soon be done online, eliminating a massive number of workers. Thus, GIGANTIC UNEMPLOYMENT, in the range of 70-80?is coming soon to the USA. This will result in Rio De Janeiro type slums all over the USA. That will result in calls for gov't wealth redistribution, which will result in Armed Revolution, Counter-Revolution, concentration camps, & Latin American-style death squads. The rich and ultra-rich are never going to let any government get control of their wealth. Huge bloody CONFLICT is coming. * * * Politicians keep repeating the old canard that the solution is to train and retrain Americans for the "jobs of the future." But they are either morons or are lying, since anyone who thinks about it can easily see that even if every American worker had an engineering degree or a computer science degree, the economy just doesn't need that many engineers and computer scientists. * * * * * * * Why don't more people see this? Why aren't more people talking about this? We are facing soon a catastrophe in the USA (and in other places) on par of the plagues in Europe that killed half of the population in certain areas, and on par with the depopulation in Europe brought about by WWI and WWII. Sure, you can just repeat the Luddite Fallacy, and proclaim that the economy will always create enough jobs for most people to survive. But there is no law of economics that says that any law of economics will always operate the same. Laws of economics are not like the laws of physics. Economies and life forms can and do evolve in fundamental ways that make former economic models and ways of life obsolete. I'm sure the last tribe of Neanderthals were certain that nothing was ever going to change, right before the Homo Sapiens swooped down on them, chased them into a dead end canyon were other Homo Sapiens were lying in wait with big clubs. * * * * * * * * * In the past the Luddite Fallacy was valid since machines always needed the mental acuity that only human operators could provide, and machines frequently needed maintenance by skilled human hands and minds. But now machines have mental functions that equal or surpass what humans can provide in most work functions. And computers aren't so much repaired anymore as just thrown away and replaced. How many cell phone repair shops have you ever seen? Even most laptop computers are replaced rather than repaired. More and more laptop computers never even need to be repaired for years and years. In short, when the economy has no use for most Americans, all h*ll is going to brake loose, & that's coming soon. * * * * *
2 answers - Asked By: Perro Americano Invicto - 5/16/2013
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