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Why do people think that a stateowned oil company that would make gas cheap and employ 1000s is evilCommunism?


When I lived in Alaska during the 04 elections there was a proposition by some candidate that I don't know the name of that suggested that Alaska state should allow the residents of Alaska to vote for or against a State owned oil and refinery company. and a month or so before the 04elections the idea was scrapped. The theory of the state owned oil company is that since the oil right in Alaska are on state land then it is owned by the state and therefor not under OPEC and therefore would not have to be placed on the world market and would simply be sold to America and Canada and Mexico thus eliminating the competition and making it cheaper since the government would drill for more oil unlike the oil companys who drill very little and pretend theres no possibility that producing oil is possible. I thought that was a great idea but apparently there hardcore capitalists that think low gas prices and more jobs for Americans is to "Communism" Why? Capitalism is free market and free trade but that doesn't mean that our natural resources like oil should be hauled off to The People's Republic Of China!! American tax payers should have the benefit of having a government that will not whore out our natural resources when we are paying over 4 a gallon.Shouldn't Alaska's oil fields be maned by State hourly workers instead of private companies like Exxon/HEss .I'm just wondering why the capitalist's would feel persecuted by low energy prices and spawning employment rates. can someone elaborate?

I want to further explain how this system works in Alaska because the last time I posted this answer there were 1or2 people who said it was a monopoly which I find funny because according to capitalism eliminating monopolys is like taking away the incentive of producers to produce but anyway. IN Alaska since the discovery of oil the State has established itself as the rightful and legal owner of it's mineral rights and reserves the right to lease it mineral rights to Oil Companies for it own economical benefits. Alaska leases it oil rights on 10yr lease agreements to Conoco-phillips oil company .If a state owned oil company and refinery were to happen Alaska would stop leasing the mineral rights out and buy the equipment and materials from the company and probably rehire the employees and continue the same work .The oil companys would be able to set up shop anywhere else in the state or in the world if they so please and they will. Once this happens the elected officials who run the company would establish the minium price to be set that would ensure that "business" would remain cost effective. The Oil fields would be used to the full capacity to ensure there is an abundant amount of crude to keep prices low. A private company like conco phillips in this situation would simply reduce the amount of oil produced to create the falsehood of there not being enough oil and then marking the price up!!! The state owned company would atleast double the production thus creating more jobs and selling oil at wholesale prices thus making gas cheap! If you don't believe me feel free to do your research!





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A state owned Oil and refinary company is not a monopoly!! The state oned company would compete with the major oil companies. If the oil companies want to sell 4 dollars a gallon gas while the state sells it for a 1.50 then they have every right to the oil companies will make more money in actuality because the state owned companies would remove a a portion of the available oil supply from the world supply then the oil companys can have an excuse to rip off the People's republic of China and that way your family can get a huge return on the Exxon stock!!!

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Take over 1 company people don't like..it would be easier to take over more..where would it end?


You did not listen there is no "taking over" The mineral rights are owned by the state and the state had the right to lease the mineral rights to the oil companies. All the state oned oil company would do is tap the oil field with there own drill and produce oil from there own property.and refine it and sell it for cheap while still allowing big oil companies to operate so as long as they pay there "RENT" because the oil companies do not own the mineral rights because no one can own mineral rights but either the state or the federal government!!!
I'd also like to let all those who are about to say the government stinks when it comes to busness. My gas and electric is contracted by the state and pretty much is ran by the state with price and budget caps. Gasoline has doubled in the past 2 years!! however my electric and gas have not! I'd say the government is doing a fine job when it comes to regulating energy and commodities! Lets not forget to mention the Irs which is the biggest debt collector in the country. They have manage to collect everyones taxes no problem. Have you ever heard of the government going bankrupt because the IRS wasn't doing a good job at collecting debt.???
Ok now if your going to say the government should not run and own an oil company because they are no good at it . The I want you to explain why a state contracted heating gas company and a state ran electric company are doing just fine? Why do people fear the government when there is talk of having state owned oil companies yet they fail to realize local,state, and federal government does a great job at making your electricity,bringing you heating gas??? Are people fearful that the government might actually beable to help society?? Can hardcore capitalist explain why in Kuwait gasoline is less than a dollar per gallon ?? Kuwait has a state owned oil and refinery that take a small percentage of the oil and sells it in there own country for cheap regardless of the world market conditions!!! Why do people insist on supporting suck a strict for of capitalism when is clear that 5 dollar per gallon gas prices are now helping the economy as much as it's benefiting the few.?

Asked By: jay - 7/31/2008
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Hi, again, some misconceptions. There are actually very few public utilities left in the USA, almost all of them are now private providers who have exclusive contracts with the localities that they serve.

One of the real problems with state owned companies is inefficiency, because they do not exist to make profit, they exist as part of an overall national policy which is often to provide as many jobs as possible or to subsidize delivery of services, or some other feel-good idea that makes sense at the time, but always the poor economics of the institution will always catch up with the noble ideals that the entity was founded to provide.

And as for your example of Kuwait, that is a very specific example and is not the norm for the rest of oil producing countries. First off, the government and the people agreed that everyone would share in the profits, and the population is small enough that there is plenty to go around. With a country like the USA, dividing the profits up between everyone leaves so little per person that there is very little incentive for even getting up in the morning to go to work. Secondly, since the oil rigs are already in existence, the cost of extracting the oil is one of the lowest in the world, and the low price to their own people is subsidized by foreign buyers who pay $120 for a barrel that cost $19 to get out of the ground. Also, in Kuwait the work force is largely imported from developing countries with very low wages and poor working conditions (although certainly better than their home country - as someone interviewed on NPR said years ago, the cure for sweat shops is more sweat shops). Right across the border, in Saudi Arabia which also has a relatively small population and huge oil profits, these conditions are not the same because there the entire oil wealth is owned by the royal family, one of the reasons why 15 out of 19 9/11 terrorists were Saudis and not Iraqis or Yemenis.
Answered By: sdvwallingford - 8/1/2008
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Because they're brain-washed, can't think for themselves conservative lap-dogs of the mega-rich.
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Answered By: Rev Doofus - 7/31/2008
Its a slippery slope
Answered By: Matthew W - 7/31/2008
I'll be brief. When it comes to running a business, government's track record STINKS. But to answer your basic question: State ownership of industry is one of the underlying tenets of communism, so yes that would be more communist than capitalist.

The cost of fuel is based upon the cost of crude. Crude is a commodity. Whoever is running the company isn't going to affect commodity prices on the world markets. Even if you plowed all of the profits back into the pricing, the cost of a gallon of gas would MAYBE drop 10¢. Big Whoopie!

Most of the cost of crude today is due to the value of the dollar. Crude is priced in US dollars on the global markets. That means that foreign producers have to raise the dollar price to maintain their income stream in their own currency. The dollar is in the toilet due to the HUGE Federal deficit, currently approaching $10 TRILLION. That's more than double what it was when Bush took office. His failed economic policies are the reason for the deficit. Never in the history of the nation has an administration maintained tax cuts during an expensive war.

Edit: You're confusing careful government regulation of a monopoly with State ownership. Two VERY different concepts! The State of AK does regulate drilling activity and that's as it should be. If it didn't, the North Slope would be awash with spills and the pipeline would be leakier than it already is.
Answered By: bostonianinmo - 7/31/2008
I fail to see any reason for it. In fact we do have socialism for services that are considered vital to our society such as municipal fire and police departments which are paid for by tax dollars not users. By having them run by the government entity they can be sure that employees are local thereby helping the local economy and making sure that the workers have a vested interest in the community. Sounds like all good to me. Plus when there is corruption you can prosecute and/or put out of office those who are corrupt in government; but when corporations are corrupt it is next to impossible to prosecute anyone - you can't put a corporation in prison and the fines assessed for breaking laws are just viewed as one more cost of doing business.

But over the years "communist" has been used as the ultimate bogey-man word to scare people much as they are trying to use "terrorists" now. Please everyone be sure to look beyond the scare tactics and try to see what is really going on before making up your minds.
Answered By: ash - 7/31/2008
Nationalizing anything is a bad idea

they may claim they will compete with private companies, but soon they won't

Read Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged.
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