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How have attitudes changed from the Vietnam war and the War in Iraq?

Both wars from what I know were highly disagreed upon. But we seem to support out troops more now then they did for the Vietnam War. I have heard numerous stories from Vietnam vets saying how they had been spit upon and such upon their return home. Much less support for them. Now I am not a history major, so my views may be skewed by the stories I hear and things I see in the media. So, if anyone can enlighten me more that would be greatly appreciated.

Asked By: katiek08@rocketmail.com - 9/22/2008
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Good answers so far.

There are several key differences -
1: Viet Nam was mostly designed and run by Robert Macnamara (JFK's Secretary of Defense) during the Kennedy and Johnson era's - his micromanagement style pretty much doomed the conflict to a never-ending mess.

2: Casualties in Viet Nam were much higher than in Iraq (1969-1973, about 58,000 dead to 2003 - Present, about 4,500 dead) and since we had conscription a lot more people were REALLY unhappy about being there. Today's Professional Volunteer Military makes a huge difference. The folks in my unit are mostly excited to get to Iraq.

3: Culture was VERY different then. The hippie movement and it's very strong pro-drug culture had, through conscription, heavily infected the military as well. This again let to a lot of bitter feelings and chaos in the ranks.

4: Military culture was very, very different. Vietnam taught us a LOT of lessons and the Junior Officers and Soldiers took those lessons and re-built our military during the Reagan years - built it into the incredible force that it is today.

5: The media had absolute control over all information at that time and presented the Vietnam war and the military in a pretty negative light. The Hippies were seen as heroes and the Soldiers as baby-killers. Returning soldiers like John Kerry and movie stars such as Jane Fonda helped cement this into 'reality'. As it turns out, almost all of what they had to say were lies (with a few notable exceptions such as My Lai and the incredible corruption of the Saigon governments and the inept meddling of the CIA) Today, bloggers and Soldiers on the ground are able to get the real story out and discredit media pundits who are selling an agenda (check out Michael Yon's site for some great first-hand reporting.)

6: People learned how shameful our treatment of returning soldiers was - not realizing that Soldiers do not set policy. And knowing that our Soldiers do a difficult job - and do it incredibly well - they've decided that it's time to treat them with respect. (Most people - there are those, such as MoveOn.org, Code Pink, and Rev. Phelps who do not). Further, the 'silent majority' of Americans have always supported the troops. Now they have realized how important it is to show them that support.

7: The Commanders were VERY different. Gen. Westmoreland (Vietnam) was...um...Inept. Gen Schwarzkopf and Gen Petraeus, in particular are historical-level military geniuses. Westmoreland had no real idea how to combat an insurgency and had a variety of very new, very confusing technologies to deal with (e.g. Heliborne troops). Gen. Petraeus on the other hand, quite literally wrote the book on counterinsurgency.

So long message summed up - Times were VERY different, we've learned a lot, our military culture is VERY different, and we've got a lot more experience in dealing with insurgencies than we ever did before which help lead to success in the political arena.

Orion

EDIT: WCSteel - yes, but there are also counter-protests in front of the Marine Recruiting office -usually outnumbering Code Pink's pathetic displays. Also, at those funerals, the Patriot Guard Riders block the protesters. And people who spit on Soldiers get the $#@?icked out of them in airports (I've heard of 3 different incidents where this happen) by everyone ELSE there. Times have changed.

2nd EDIT: Ah, Eruidte! Our liberal troll! You keep peddling that 'no one got spit on' nonsense. I'm sure you'll find some fellow-travelers who will believe you. Libs like you LOVE to believe the feel-good lies that let you carry on your daily lives. Iraq's pretty much won, brother. But you keep dreaming that the Democrats will find a way to lose it.

To Cantu(?), a draft is the WRONG answer. A number of our current leadership have kids in the military (McCain and Palin for example - but even some Dems do to). A Draft would destroy the culture we've built and drag in a LOT of negativity, bitterness and the like. We don't WANT conscripts. We like the highly motivated, driven troopers we've got now.
Answered By: Orion - 9/22/2008
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The Vietnam War had the draft and that made a huge difference because far more Americans were directly affected. Many low income and middle class families had to face the fact that their sons were going to get drafted and sent to Vietnam. This created a broad base of resentment that resonated at many levels of American society and culture. Unfortunately, this resentment was often taken out on the military in the form of disrespect and hostility towards military personnel returning from the war zone. Since that time, most Americans have come to recognize the supreme injustice of taking out anti-war resentment on our people in uniform, and I think that realization has resulted in the respect and deference towards the military that you see today.

The current war in Iraq has a huge difference since it is being fought by an all-volunteer force. For the most part Americans are not being sent to Iraq unless they want to be. This has probably done more to increase support (or perhaps more accurately, reduce the level of opposition) than anything else about the Iraq War. The vast majority of Americans are not affected by the Iraq War. If the draft is brought back, I think it is safe to say that the current "support" for the war would disappear very quickly, and you would see mass demonstrations in streets and college campuses. Not to mention that any politician supporting the draft will probably pay a steep political price.

There were many more US casualties in the Vietnam War that the Iraq War. There are many reasons for this, but probably the most important was that North Vietnam had large amounts of outside support from the Soviets and Chinese. The North Vietnamese Army and Viet Cong insurgents had heavy weapons and professional training, and this made a huge difference. Also, the jungle terrain of Vietnam and other factors gave the enemy advantages they do not enjoy in the open terrain of Iraq. During the peak of the Vietnam War the US was suffering about 2000 combat deaths per month. If the Iraq War had similar casualty rates, I think "support" for the Iraq War would sharply decrease.

So I would say American attitudes have not changed that much in the past 40 years. Most Americans don't care so much about the war as long as it doesn't directly affect them. However, if they feel like they will be forced to fight a war they don't believe in, there will be a huge negative reaction. Hopefully they will not take it out on military personnel like they did 40 years ago.
Answered By: LA Triguy - 9/23/2008
Vietnam was a much huger scale... we now see each and every dead soldier returned's name, family, etc. At least in Canada we do, I think yours are kind of kept low key unless they want to trot out a hero to get you all going again.
Also, to some exent people might have learned from the last time around... we know about post-traumatic stress and recongnise that soldiers are part of a bigger picture, it is possible for good people to be caught up in something larger than them and it is possible to respect the individual doing a difficult and generous job even if we don't agree their lives should be spent cheaply.
Answered By: Jen - 9/22/2008
Well, yes. It is because the Vietnam war had much more casualties then the Iraq war, so that kinda makes it easier to support our troops. Vietnam had 3 million more casualties on our side then Iraq, so that might be a huge factor. Also Iraq was completely voluntarily fought, not drafted like in Vietnam.
Answered By: Thorae - 9/22/2008
Because the Vietnam era people were idiots who did not love their country and were more concerned with burning draft cards, insulting their elders, and degrading the troops!!!!

This generation is a little more patriotic, because most of their parents were part of the late 70s early 80s conservative movement within this nation, but it seems like more and more of my generation is becoming like the 60s self centered morons who care for nothing but themselves, sex, drugs, and protesting. Self gratification, to put it simply.

Although there are a few good young men and women who do love this nation and who do serve her and I thank them for that.
Source(s):
Father served in the U.S Army in Vietnam.
Answered By: Country Girl 09 - 9/22/2008
One major difference is that the War in Iraq is being fought with an all-volunteer military, as opposed to the almost all-conscript military of Vietnam. The draft of young men for Vietnam helped to solidify the opposition movement to the war, and spread the opposition across the lower and middle classes. Most Americans appear largely apathetic to the war right now, because middle class kids are not being plucked from their educations and jobs and sent to fight a war they disagree with. I know, it sounds somewhat cynical, but I think it's true that opposition to the war only becomes really widespread when lots of people have a personal, intimate stake in it.
Answered By: Chances68 - 9/22/2008
There is an probably will always be an Anti Military side of the US. Even during the Revolutionary war, The Civil war and WW1 and 2 there were those who didn't nt like the military and simply didn't want anything to do with them.


Vietnam was the culmination of Anti Military sentiment and it did not go away with that war, it just went more underground. In the 90s, US military members did not show their IDs in certain places due to fear of retribution against them. Things like telling them off, charging them more refusing them entrance. In Norfolk, VA there used to be signs that states " Dog and Sailors stay off the grass"

No the statements are not skewed. Even now people are spiting on military members in Uniform in some places. Some are protesting the war at military funerals.

I think it is disgraceful and saddens me, Though I would gladly go to jail for assault on someone who disgraces a current serviceman.

This is an example of how sick some Americans can get.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=38e_1174691271&p=1 and this is just one of the most openly available proof.

San francisco washed thier hands of the Marines and let code pink deface and protest in front of thier recruiting offices.
Answered By: wcsteel - 9/22/2008
Well, in 1969 the American people were against the Vietnam war. Fast forward to the year 2008. The American people are against the Iraq war. However, the troops are treated better now. Back in 1969 the USA military were hated by the American people but "NO One" got spit upon. No one. We just got hard looks and mean comments. (I came from over seas twice and no one spit on me) Now we feel sorry for the troops being sent to a war based on lies. One thing the troops will have in common is they will lose the Iraq war just like we lost the Vietnam war.
Source(s):
Served 1969 to 1975. (April 30th 1975 I walked in shame the day we lost Vietnam) But the war was wrong anyways. Thanks history for telling the truth.
Answered By: ERUDITE - 9/22/2008
You are right, they were treated like garbage by Americans! And have been until Iraq!

The biggest difference is there were over 58,000 killed in Vietnam, and many of them were drafted! Over 300,000 were wounded!

College students today don't have to worry about being drafted. I expect this war would have been over long ago if they were drafted and were the ones dying! Self interest is a powerful motive!

As one paper said:

"Common sense suggests ”leaders” would be more wary of commiting troops if their sons and daughters were eligible to face fire. Average citizens who oppose the war might be more inclined to take to the streets in protest if someone in their family was ticketed for Iraq via a draft. And one can question if those in favor of the war would continue to be so if their children might be sent to fight. The all-volunteer force allows a luxury of distance for those those not directly connected to a volunteer serviceman or servicewoman." http://thehangover.wordpress.com/2008/04/11/no-draft-no-vietnam-no-outrage-iraq-war-2008/
Answered By: cantcu - 9/22/2008
You could be right. when i returned from Vietnam no one really noticed or cared, so many people protested about the war, but then when it ended, they just forgot about the war, and the people who fought
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Vietnam Vet.
Answered By: psychedelic - 9/22/2008
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