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Do you believe Obama's "take from the rich and give to the poor" proposal will work? ?

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Asked By: Chuck Norris - 11/9/2008
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History has shown this to be a bad idea. The concept is fine, provide for those that have less than others. It's charity. And it works as long as it's done freely and privately. The problem is that it is impossible to draw lines that will be effective in a government mandated charity system.
First, while government can do things for us, they NEVER do ANYTHING efficiently or fairly, ever.
Second it removes the drive to better oneself. When government forces you to yield part, or all, of your pay, and they decide how it is to be distributed, while others without money can collect from government, why work? If I work a second job for extra money only to have the government take it away there's no incentive to have that job. Sorry, but brain surgery is worth more than rolling pizza dough. That's just the way it goes. Being a surgeon is a tough job, endless schooling, stress, people's lives at stake, special skills, it should pay more. When it doesn't there's no point in becoming a surgeon.
So to insure that society has the services it requires government then forces people to perform these more advanced tasks without adequate compensation.
And who decides what standard of living we are entitled to? If we have 100 percent redistribution of wealth for example, where do we draw a line between needs and wants? If government is to provide for those that cannot provide for themselves what exactly are they entitled to? Running water, electricity, healthy food, cable TV, an iPod?
The "rich" represent the most money donated to charity, the most businesses where the rest of us find employment. If government forces them to yield their earnings there is no advantage in running a business or hiring employees.
Then we have to define "rich." Most of the time this is based on a person's income. Here this can be most disastrous. We all have different standard of living goals. Suppose a person with the income label as rich has a high cost of living. They have an expensive house or live in an expensive part of the Country or have kids in expensive schools, etc. Are they to be penalized for being rich? Some people we consider rich are very charitable. Are they to be lumped in? If we consider net income after taxes and living expenses versus gross income many of those 'rich' may not be so. But they could be forced to reduce their standard of living because government declares so.
It has failed everywhere it's been tested. The current welfare system already shows these causes and effects to be true. Moving to more redistribution of wealth will lead to increased unemployment, outsourcing, companies leaving the Country, and poverty.
In a classless society, all are poor.
Taxation can run at a level of equilibrium. People are generally willing to pay some taxes in exchange for the services government provides. We are well above that line. Increase taxes, on anyone, rich, middle, poor, it doesn't matter, takes more money out of circulation and places it with the government.
Remember companies don't pay taxes. Electricity, labor, raw materials, office supplies, building maintenance, and so on are all costs of operating a business. Taxation is no different. Those costs are ALL passed on to the consumer. Raising taxes on a business will only raise the price of their product or service, prompt them to reduce employees, more outsourcing, closing down, or leaving the Country.
The best way to handle this is to drastically decrease government spending, thereby reducing taxation and debt, which reduces the cost of living for all people. When money goes further the poor are no longer as poor and the rich have more money to spend which means more jobs and more money in circulation, also helping the poor.
It's worth noting that this is not likely to become reality any time soon. While Obama and many of is cohorts in Congress support the idea there is no specific plan to implement any such process.
Answered By: E. F. Hutton - 11/9/2008
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Did Bush take from the poor and made the rich richer? what have Bush done to keep our economy from getting into this shape it is in now? are you rich?
Answered By: Thomas - 11/9/2008
Well Bush has been taking from the middle class and giving to the rich and corporations for the past 8 years. How's that for redistribution of wealth?
Answered By: toolate4me? - 11/9/2008
After the stock market crash of '29, Hoover raised taxes (not income, but tariffs, I believe) and that made things worse. Then FDR raised income taxes on the rich and promised the world to the poor, and that made a recession into a depression that lasted for years. Many, many people lost their jobs because employers couldn't afford to keep them.

And Bush never took money from the Middle class to give to rich corporations. He cut taxes for the middle class, and cut taxes for the poor, and removed many poor people from income taxes altogether. He merely cut taxes for business in addition to cutting taxes for everyone else. The middle class got a 5?ax cut, while the rich got about a 4?ut. No politician has or will take money from the poor or middle class to give to the rich. Put the Kool-aid down.
Answered By: MNgirl - 11/9/2008
I'm better off than I was 8 yrs. ago. I bought a house for the first time in my life. But in the next four yrs., I am thinking about quitting work, selling my house and standing in line for the handout...I could use a break/vacation....... yeAH, IN OUR DREAMS...... it ain't gonna work, folks.
Answered By: deedeetres - 11/9/2008
It is the same plan that when Clinton was in office was implemented and it flourished.
Answered By: bonnie w - 11/9/2008
I hope so, cause I plan on getting poor soon so I can get me some rich fat cat money too.
Answered By: stoktrader - 11/9/2008
Didnt work when Clinton promised it, we never saw it we all payed the same taxes we do today.
Answered By: free wil to all - 11/9/2008
I'm not rich, I just get up and go to work every morning like MOST of you. I'll give you an example of the failures of the "take from the rich and give to the poor" that didn't/don't work. Cuba, the revolutionary government there took the sugar plantations from the owners and distributed it to the peasant farmers to work as employees of the state. The Cuban government is in shambles. Sugar was their only product, but with no incentive for the farmers to produce, harvests are low. The USSR is another example, The USSRs manufacturing infrastructure was so shoddy that they had to import farming equipment from other countries just to produce food. The conditions under which farmers were forced to live, we as such that there was no inncentive to produce crops like we do here in the states where farmers are paid by the bushel. It got to the point that bread was scarce and Russians began to riot. At that point, it was evident that Communism had failed. The Russian farmers made the same amount of money whether they had a bumper crop or no crop at all.

MNgirl has a very good point. Most people credit FDR for ending the great depression, but actually, WWII end the depression when big business needed lots of workers to build tanks, ships, planes, and weapons. You have to allow the wealthy to control their money. No poor man has ever given anyone a job.
Answered By: Jon - 11/9/2008
1) That's a Fox News "Obama proposal", not something Obama himself put out. He isn't taking from the rich to give to the poor, he's increasing the tax on them, which is entirely justified under a graduated tax system. The basic idea being that if a corporation is incorporated as a single entity, or a filthy rich man is getting taxed 12?n something while a broke man is getting taxed 7?then the extra 5?rom that rich guy not only wont "serve as a disincentive to making money" but it will allow the government to get the same amount of money and spare those poorer people some taxation. If you can agree with a graduated income tax (which is what we have), then we can continue.
2)And regardless of what you're looking for or what people are going to cite, there isn't irrefutable proof regarding what top-down and bottom-up taxation does. What I will say is this: Trickle-down economics was a central part of Reaganomics, and wages went down and unemployment fluctuated up and down to greater extremes, with the average not changing.

In summary, "take from the rich and give to the poor" isn't something he's advocating. But will it cause unemployment? Why would it? The people we're talking about taxing here are the one's making over $250,000 a year, and it's only a few thousand dollar drop in the bucket to them. That's not going to drive businesses to cut employees; just the opposite, as you can see by visiting Obama's website that another central tenant of his plan is to reward employer's with a $3,000 tax credit for each hired employee.
Answered By: ourajin - 11/9/2008
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