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Will the senators who voted against the auto bailout admit blame when the dow plummets today?

More importantly will they run for re-election on the platform that they were responsible for losing millions of decent paying auto and manufacturing jobs.....and caused a full blown depression?
The autoworkers make a decent amount of money - not unreasonable. 20 yr seniority line worker gets $28/hr. which is $58,000 per year. You still can't send your kids to college on that. And more than anything the auto companies suffer from unfair trade policies - not mismanagement. Every other country provides subsidies and health care. Ours doesn't.

Asked By: islander818 - 12/11/2008
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The Senators who voted against this stated that American auto workers are to blame for their failure to vote in favor of the bailout because they declined to take a wage cut and pay more for their benefits. Please see Sen. Mich McConnel's statements: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/12/12/politics/politico/main4664978.shtml

As part of the bailout, the auto workers agreed to end the job bank. As part of the contract negotiations finalized in 2007, the auto workers took on managing at least part of their own pension packages, they agreed to mandatory retirements, and agreed to lower wages for the new employees that would be replacing them.

Frankly, I don't understand why the ordinary, joe/ jane worker is being blamed for not only the mismanagment of an entire industry, the economic issues that have further devestated that industry, AND for the government's failure to respond to the national implications of the downfall of that industry. In other word, I don't understand why the men and women on the line are blamed for the failure of the American auto industry to realize that the oil industry barons would bleed car owners driy and therefore more fuel efficent vehicles would be needed. The men and women on the line don't determine company policy and direction. I don't know why the line workers are being blamed for the dismal car sales that have pushed the companies to the brink this year. After all, I thought that the Wall Street bailout was going to free up credit so that individuals would have more purchasing power to boost the economy. I also thought that the Wall Street bailout was going to free up money for the banks to loan to companies like GM, Chyrsler, and Ford. Instead of more money being available, banks are making it harder to borrow money for individuals, small businesses, and big businesses. The requirments are tougher and the interest rates are higher. Finally, I don't understand whey the Senators are blaming the men and women of America, the very same men and women who pay taxes that pay congressional salaries for them (the Senators) voting against the bailout. Why should these hard working Americans take a pay cut AND pay for their own benefits out of this lower salary when SENATORS vote to give themselves raises EVERY year. Senators give themselves raises while their business, the USA is operating at the highest deficit in the history of the country. The Senators have not taken a pay cut. The Senators are not paying for more of their own benefits. And the Senators are have not proposed one single plan for bringing their business, our country, into the black. Why don't they not take a salary until their company is not owned by China.

You know as well as I do that each Senator brings home more than any one person working on the line. The UAW represents men and women of middle America on Main Street, who go to work every day and bowl and are trying to put their kids through college.

So, when Congress takes a pay cut so that they can balance their budget, then maybe I can hear them demanding that other AMERICANS take a pay cut. But until then....

Saving the auto industry saves Main Street. It protects Middle America by ensuring that the ordinary joes and janes of the world have jobs - line workers, engineers, secretaries, and small business owners that supply food, parts, and etc. to the auto industy. When Wall Street, AIG, and etc. came to our government for help they got it. Their CEOS weren't required to arrive in DC by an acceptable mode of transportation. They weren't required to take pay cuts, they weren't told that their businesses would have to report to the government (a bank Czar or an Insurance Czar or an investment company Czar) to make sure that they didn't continue to act up. But the auto industry, the industry of Middle America, not Manhattan, has to jump through so many hoops.

I'm completely disgusted!
Answered By: alegria_ganar - 12/13/2008
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I have to wonder with bankruptcy and almost 500,000 retirements being reduced, wages being cut 50?r better how badly the economy will suffer with the foreclosures and reductions in spending. The added burden of the health care on the public sector. This seems like a boon for the big Three, but in the end once again with the help of the GOP they have or are trying to place the burden upon the tax payers, instead of LOANS we will pay outright so the Big three can be profitable???? again. The almost 2 Billion in taxes to be lost will have to be recouped for government use elsewhere...So I have to ask which of the two evils would be better, the possibility of repayment on Bridge Loans or finding a way to pay another 5 to 15?n State and Federal taxes in the end..to offset the losses the governments will most assurdely inccur?
Answered By: Kartek - 12/12/2008
This was nothing more than an attempt to bust the UAW by the senate republicans. The wages of UAW workers is on average nearly identical to the wages of Volkswagen, Nissan and Toyota workers who work in plants in the home states of the most vocal republican opponents of the bill. Can Jan. 20th get here any sooner?
Answered By: webned - 12/12/2008
The auto 'bailout' has become essentially class warfare.The major GOP senators who led the votes against the big 3 ALL have multiple foreign auto companies in their states! And Shelby is the worst, with Corker not far behind. Their 'no' votes were a political decision & nothing more!

I live in MI. I agree that the Big 3 has not been forward looking in their management & designs. BUT - they produced what a huge part of the CITIZENS WANTED .... big Suvs, 4x4s, Hummers, etc. Look at what's in the lanes next to you when you're driving. I think you'll see at least 40?f the vehicles are these huge gas guzzlers.

The jobs of 1 in 10 workers in the US are directly connected to the auto industry. And that doesn't include all the ancillary businesses - the corner stores, etc. that auto workers support. The loss of the Big 3 will plunge this country into an abyss that will be hard to climb out of. Most people are not going to buy cars from companies that have been forced ibankruptsptsy to reorganize. 3 millions MORE people unemployed? It will be worse than that. So individuals & companies will lose their jobs, then their houses & the US will lose a huge source of taxbase!

NO questions, interrogations, chastisement or oversight of the financial companies was done. Meanwhile what the financial
'industry' has done over the last many years borders on the CRIMINAL!.
The structure of their Derivatives & Cdos became close to a ponzie scheme - one that has led to millions of foreclosures & huge loses of for 'common' investors' monies that are in the stock market.

Americans need to wake up & see reality!
Answered By: Sandra R - 12/12/2008
I don't disagree with your position on the auto worker wages and $28/hr for 20 years of service is not unreasonable. Wages are not the issue but the Union imposed costs of job banking, unreasonable retirement and medical benefits, inflexible work rules and other restrictions put on the Company are. Unions have lost their purpose in our modern capitalistic system and are and have been the demise of many viable companies. Being from the Pittsburgh area I have personal experience with watching the United Steel Workers Union destroy the US Steel industry. Having worked for McDonnell Douglas Aircraft in So Cal for 38+ years, I have watched the inefficiencies driven by union shops. The main problem with the union mentality is that it provides no incentive for the worker to perform and compete for their job.

If you want to live in a Country with socialism I encourage you to move there. If you want to be an American with the values that this Country was established on then demonstrate personal responsibility and accountability you actions. Instead of the new car or TV etc. put the money in a health savings account, work hard and stop expecting Government handouts. You have absolute freedom in this Country and that's what has made it great. There is nothing that prevents you from doing anything you are capable of doing if you want to put the effort in.
Answered By: RICHARD C - 12/12/2008
I am making it my mission to oust whoever voted against that bill and continues to aide in the destruction against the middle class. This is outrageous!!!
Answered By: Fossy - 12/12/2008
So you think American taxpayers should have to spend their hard earned money saving companies who are run incompetently? The auto industry has mismanagement and a bad labor deal with the UAW (which is a direct result of poor leadership) to blame.

Declaring bankruptcy will allow these companies to fix their self-inflicted problems.
Answered By: Lurch - 12/11/2008
They voted for the $7,000,000 Million Banker bailout. Why would they get in trouble for voting no on this?

I disagree with this bailout also, but it is comical seeing them oppose this when they supported the other bailout hands down.

As for this causing a full blown depression, I have to disagree. This auto problem is a symptom of the larger problem, just like the housing collapse was a symptom of the larger monetary problem. The fact is the depression (which I agree with you that one is coming) was caused by the federal reserves cheap credit, and our politicians lust for national debt and inflation.



It sucks these auto jobs are gone, but Americans want to save and pay off personal debt (against government wishes). This means no new cars. No matter what, we cant make citizens go into personal debt to save some workers. And if nobody is buying cars, there is no car industry.
Answered By: vote_usa_first - 12/11/2008
They won't have to, since the effects of the bailout are likely to be much worse for the public than not giving our money away.

There are too many unfounded assumptions in your, um, question for it to be particularly meaningful. The only way the bailout can be helpful is if we allow our government to continue to support scams that are detrimental to the nation in their usual government/corporate collaboration.
Answered By: N. Cognito - 12/11/2008
Answer: A blind man could see the stock drop...So What. I'll wager the obits on this one are a bit hasty, don't you.
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MY bad! They went up!
Answered By: trumain - 12/11/2008
It was up yesterday... so it should drop today. It's been going up and down since November 4th... if you haven't noticed.

As far as your 28.00 dollar an hour, you may want to look again at the figure, it's higher than that.
Answered By: damond h - 12/11/2008
Well they won't take responsibility for it and they will not admit that they have messed up this country, so of course they'll blame the bailout! I still think it was a big mistake for standard oil to have all of EV1's (electric cars) destroyed!

Of course they will run for re-election claiming they were watching out for the taxpayer's money!
Answered By: tigersaregods - 12/11/2008
We are taking money from hard working lower income workers to bailout over paid unions workers..........that makes no sense to me. If the big three were NOT union they would probably not be in the trouble they are in. Have you noticed Honda,Toyota, and Nissan are not whining for a bailout? Could it be that unions have not destroyed their companies?
Answered By: roysbigtoys - 12/11/2008
I think the question should be is the UAW going to take the blame for losing these jobs. If not for the UAW balking at compromising, the bailout would have passed. I don't think they should get a penny. Let them file bankruptcy and restructure they will be stronger in the long run.
Answered By: rpwillis1 - 12/11/2008
The sad truth is that the bailout money would not even save them. It would just be a temporary fix.
Answered By: ghost - 12/11/2008
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