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Horsey and non-horsey people alike, please help me!!?

**Firstly, this question is going to be LONG. There's a lot to cover so please don't bother answering it if you're not going to read the entire thing**

Okay. I have just been informed that we have to MOVE (back to Canada, from Ireland) quickly.

This poses a huge problem for me, because I was just starting to get settled where I am and I got a horse (Benson) who I love deeply. I bought him with the intention of staying on in Ireland and finishing up school here, but that just doesn't seem to want to work out in my favour...

I knew this was coming and I had planned to bring Benson back to Canada with me, no matter what. It sounds unreasonable as there are 'many more horses in the sea' and he's 'Just a horse' ('cept he's NOT he's MY horse who I love to death). I can see how unpractical it is for me to bring him, expenses, where to put him... more expenses... but my heart is truly set on it.

My mom wants me to either A)surrender him to a 'retired horses' home or B)to the humane society. I want to lease him out, get a few jobs and WORK so I can pay for him to get over (I emailed a horse transporting company, all in all it will cost around 10,000 Canadian dollars. Enough to buy another horse as everyone likes to point out) I know of a few places I can board him too, for minimal cost seeing as he can be out on grass pretty much all the time, just in at night and part of the day in the winter. Leasing ALSO is a bit of an issue for me because Benson gets lame sometimes (he's an ex racehorse, he was injured in a race and sometimes his old 'war wounds' act up. Last time he was lame for two months, and it took a lot of work to get him sound again; I know a lot of people wouldn't be interested in that. I don't want to lease him out to people who won't take the proper care of him. That would worry me even if he wasn't frequently lame, but since he is it bothers me even more.

Another option I was considering is leaving him with a friend of ours who owns 25 horses as it is. He said it would be no problem if we needed anywhere for Benson to go. He wouldn't charge us for the accommodation, but I'd have to fork out money for a little over a years supply of food and I would definitely need to pay him for the hay that Benson will need. That would work out to around 559 (Euro) for the food (roughly $900) and I couldn't even begin to estimate the hay costs. We'd probably just work out a fixed price for that together, but it would be at least 300 (Euro) which would be about $480. That would set me back around $1,380, round it up to $1,500-$2,500 to accommodate any surprise costs and his wormers, but at least he would be getting the attention he deserves, right?

The third thing I could do is free-lease him out as a pasture pal, just one that is ride able for treks, fun jumping (just popping him over a few fences out in the field) and the sort; but not allowed to compete or hunt as it would be too hard on his joints and hooves and I can't trust anyone to take proper care of him. They supply the food and hay for him, make sure the farrier sees him and the vet and all that. It's just like a normal lease but with major restrictions. I still wouldn't be 100?ure that my horse was getting the proper care and attention, but I would know he wasn't being hunted or competed with either. I have loads of friends around too who could check up on him for me and they would only be too happy to.

I'm really desperate to make this work, and if I decided to go with my second idea I could PROBABLY manage to convince my mom to pay for the food and the hay, one of the two, or to meet me half way at $1,250 each.

What do you think?
I had thought it would be a bit bold of me to ask him, but he knows about Bensons history with lameness and he offered to take him regardless. Really all he'd be doing is putting him in the pasture with the rest of his horses and feeding him whenever he checked up on them. He's his to ride as well while he has him if he wants to, but he's under no obligation.

Thanks for your input =)
I would be able to afford it by the summer of next year.

It's a really tough decision to make... =(

Asked By: Sarah T - 1/6/2009
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There don't seem to be a lot of companies that handle this sort of transport, but I was able to find a few so you can try to get competitive quotes:

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Overseas Horse Services, Canada
http://www.horsecanada.com/

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http://www.crispinbennett.com/index.htm

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Air Equine Shipping Services, Inc.
674 Via Dela Valle, Suite101
Solano Beach, CA 92075
888-247-2424; 619-350-2050; Fax 619-350-2055
Air Cargo & Air Charter Services for Horses

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Jet Pets, Inc.
9111 Falmouth Ave
Playa del Rey, CA 90293-8617
800-PET-8901; 310-823-8901; Fax 310-305-8297
Serving South America, Europe, Asia, Australia & New Zealand

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International Racehorse Transport
8055 West Manchester Ave, Suite 520
Playa del Rey, CA 90293
310-306-0262; Fax 310-306-2003
irtla@aol.com

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Happy Horse Equine Services, Inc.
7370 NW 36 Street, #415M
Miami, FL
305-597-7115; Fax 305-597-7135
Complete Import and Export Service

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KLM Cargo
3500 Inner Loop Rd
Atlanta, GA 30320
404-762-3028; 404-767-5260
Worldwide Horse Transportation

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Lufthansa Cargo
South Cargo Complex, 4301 ASR Road
Atlanta GA 30326
800-542-2746
Providing International Horse Transportation to Europe and Beyond

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U. S Equine International Transport Agents
2323 Clintonsville Rd
Paris, KY 40361
859-987-4406; Fax 859-987-4461
World Leaders in International Equine Transport

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HFR Int'l Horse Transport
P O Box 236
Brewster, NY 10509
845-279-2492; Fax 845-207-9000
Humberto@FlyHFR.com

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http://www.mersant.com/

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Animals By Air, Inc.
P O Box 60941
Houston, TX 77205
281-358-7980; 281-358-7997
International Transportation

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Sprague River Ranch
Box 36
Sprague, Manitoba ROA 1Z0
Canada
204-437-2795; Fax 204-437-2795
strasser@mb.sympatico.ca
15 years Experience in Exporting and Importing Horses from and to Europe

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International Horse Transport, Ltd.
P O Box 698
Bolton, Ontario L7E 5T5
Canada
800-387-1779; 905-584-2202; Fax 905-584-1373
Serving Canada & the US

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Collins Equine Air Trans
P O Box 1158
Papakura
New Zealand
64-92-928-833; Fax 64-92-928-323
collair@xtra.co.nz
International Air Transport

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You'll not only want to find someone you can afford, but you'll want to know they have a good reputation and can handle all of the issues of customs, etc.

Also, you might ship the horse by air from Ireland to the east coast of Canada or the US and then ship by ground from there. This could lower your costs.

I do know of someone who recently shipped a horse from Ireland to the East Coast of the US and I will ask him who he used if I see him.

Good luck!
Answered By: Mark C - 1/7/2009
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I had to do that with my horse, a beautiful welsh mare. I was starting university and travelling for two years before that so it would have been impossible to keep her at home. She was 15 at the time and still fairly fit so I put her on loan to a friend who lived near me. Sadly just a few weeks before I went travelling my so-called friend called me and said she'd decided she didn't feel like having a horse after all. Then my horse had to move to the other end of the country to go on loan to a friend who had a riding school. I was really nervous about it at first and wasn't sure that I wanted my baby to become a riding school pony but it worked out great for several years. She really likes kids and became really popular. She always had kids going to visit her, brush her, feed her treats and so on. Also it meant she was always under professional supervision so she was never made to work too hard or anything. When the riding school closed she went on loan to one of the kids who rode her at the school and now lives at home with that girl. My friend who had her before lives nearby and is able to go and visit every week.
So the point of that story is to show that you can find great loan homes if you talk to your friends. You also need to consider the effects that the journey to Canada will have on Benson and make sure that it won't be too traumatic for him. So keep thinking about your options but include finding a good loan home as one of them. I certainly wouldn't send him to a shelter but if you have a friend that you trust then that might be a good solution. Just make sure that you draw up a contract that covers absolutely everything (mine even says what tack to use and that my horse can't be lunged without boots!) so that there are no misunderstandings now that could become serious later. Good luck, and I hope it all works out for you.
Answered By: sarah h - 1/7/2009
Just free lease him on a 1 and ahalf year contract
Answered By: jazzy! - 1/7/2009
Try getting some other estimates for shipping. That number sounds high to me. I once looked into importing a horse from the Netherlands to the US, and the estimate was about $3000 (US).
Answered By: Greg B - 1/7/2009
I have two experiences for you to consider. First, many years ago when my husband returned from two years in Viet Nam, he had a dog in his last camp that he'd adopted and raised from a puppy. She grew up with him, and even had her own litter of puppies that other soldiers adopted. Based on the fact that the dog had never lived in a home (they camped out in the jungles there), and considering the cost of bringing her home, and all of what he would be involved in doing once he got home, he left her behind. The people who had promised to take care of her and keep him informed didn't. He never knew what happened to her, and it haunts him still. That was 40 years ago.
Second, I gave my horse to someone awhile back. The horse was worth thousands, but I gave him to this person based on promises she made to me regarding his care. It included my access to see him, and her promise to keep me informed on events, etc. he would be involved in. It also was based on the promise that he would be kept at her private property for the remainder of his life. I chose her because I trusted her completely. Virtually every promise I received was broken. Because the agreement was verbal, it ended up costing me $6000.00 in legal fees to get him away from her. When I got him back, he was 150 pounds underweight, and had not been medically managed for his metabolic syndrome. I have never regretted the money spent to get him back, and he is still with me.
If you are in Canada, and he is in Ireland, you can't monitor his future. Unless you can move ahead and not look back, this can become the regret of a lifetime.
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Answered By: galloppal - 1/7/2009
WOW big desicion that one, i don't like leasing my horses out neither due to past experiences but that is my experiences. But under the circumstance i think to maybe sell/give him to someone as a paddock compainion.

You could split the price with your mum but when your looking at the moving cost with the family and then to ask her for another $1250 i think it would be pushing it a bit IMO.

And as for the man with 25 other horses would you feel as though your imposing on himwith leaving him another responsibility? expecially when your little darling needs extra care when it comes to the lameness side of him.

I know you have stated that he is not just a horse and you love him dearly but you'll have to look at the BIG picture and wish you luck withh which ever way you decide to go.
Answered By: Jimmy - 1/6/2009
Moving with horses is always hard and always full of hard decisions, i know from 20 years of personal experience. And unfortunately part of being a responsible horse person is knowing when to let go. Imagine what a happy life Benson would have if he were given away as a pasture pet to keep another horse happy. I know it's hard to sell and give away horses. They are our companions and our best friends. But you have to think about what's right for him and having been injured it would be unfair for you to ask him to work to try and pay for his survival.
And if you were to retire him with the saved money you would be able to buy another horse who in time you would love just as much and have an equally strong bond with and if they aren't injured maybe even be able to do more competing. You could buy a nice warmblood for the cost of flying Benson over from Ireland.
I know these are not the words that you want to here but for the cost of flying over an injured thoroughbred who comes from a track you could buy 10 more just like him. I know you don't want ten more horses, you want Benson, but that does kind of put it into perspective a little bit.
And even if you were to leave him there and keep paying for his feed and board, he would be costing you a lot of money and you wouldn't even get to enjoy having him.
My advice would be to let Benson live out his days in peaceful retirement in Ireland instead of having to work on a possibly injured leg to pay for a potentially stressful flight and having to get used to a whole new world, which is a big deal for a horse!
Answered By: Jeanie - 1/6/2009
I am verry sorry.. this must be upsetting for you.... well you seem to have your options ....i understand that hes not just a horse... i have 19 horses but i my first 2 horses ... i wouldnt give up for anything..
well here is my advice...

I think because you must move quickly... your best bet is to find the money to pay your friend for his feed and leave him with him for the time being.. but once your back in canada you can assest everything and look at your options to get him over to you... i think that would work out best .... it will be hard leaving him but i wouldnt give him up to the humain society or on a lease of any kind
your friend seems to know ur situation which would be helpfull with the procsess of getting your horse back to canada....

what ever you choose.. good luck and keep looking for ways of getting him across sea
Answered By: Saddlebreds..RollercosterOn4Legs - 1/6/2009
Ohh this is so terrible. what i would probably try to do is let him say with the guy with 25 horses. i think he'd be happy there. and when you have that many 1 more is no big deal. i feel for you and your situation, i know how hard it is to just leave someone you love and always worry about them and cry yourself to sleep over them. its so very very hard. i have had to do it myself. its truely heartbreaking. so my advice to you is to put him where you feel he will be happy. i know thats with you, but if you cant afford it then make the next best decision. just make sure where ever you do let him stay signs a no sell agreement so you dont have to worry about him being sold off after you are gone. i hope all goes well for you, and as concerned as you seem i believe you will do the right thing for him, whatever that may be. i would stay away from the humane society. they dont have enough time to spend with him while he is there. and you will never know where he ends up. its a privacy thing. i went through it with a cat i had to give up because i moved across the country and wasnt sure if i would have a job or place to keep her. was a hard time for me and i still miss my baby. i had a few horses growing up but now that im on my own its hard to afford myself let alone a horse. i hope i helped if not sorry for wasting you time.
Answered By: sheedalaadie - 1/6/2009
Thats a tough decision, I'm sorry you've had to even consider you're options. But, judging on the information provided, I think it'd be best to either bring him with you, although that will be extremely hard to raise enough money, or leave him with you're friend. If you leave him with you're friend, at least you can rest assured he'll have plenty of pasture mates (25, to be exact). You can lease him out also, from your friends property to a beginner rider to help pay for his feed and hay, and veterinary care. Its obvious you've got his best interest in mind, and I think that those options would assure the happiness if Benson and peace of mind for you. Good luck!
Answered By: Living Life in the Saddle - 1/6/2009
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Everyone will have an e-Reader device. That will be the END of every physical library and bookstore. (9) Soon computers will be able to general characters in movies that are indistinguishable from real humans. Not only actors will lose their jobs, but costume people, makeup people, scene construction people, camera operators, key grips, electricians, lighting experts, etc. (10) New machines are replacing the humans who pick vegetables in fields. (11) New machines are replacing human security guards. (12) Human airplane pilots, both in the military and in commercial service, will soon be extinct. The FAA has already approved testing of drone planes for commercial transportation of non-human cargo. (13) Most trades on Wall Street are already being made by computers. (14) The U.S. Postal Service is doomed. Paying thousands of people to drive around in little trucks to deliver little printed pieces of paper to each household each day is going to seem more and more like idiocy. (15) Most of the reviews and analysis currently being done by human accountants, actuaries, tax experts, and other financial analysts and consultants will be done must better, more more quickly, and much more accurately, by computers. (16) Web sites already are using computer programs to write the text for stories that report on sports games. The program integrates the statistics from the game into a story text that seems to have been written by a human being. (17)Most education at the college and high school level will soon be done online, eliminating a massive number of workers. Thus, GIGANTIC UNEMPLOYMENT, in the range of 70-80?is coming soon to the USA. This will result in Rio De Janeiro type slums all over the USA. That will result in calls for gov't wealth redistribution, which will result in Armed Revolution, Counter-Revolution, concentration camps, & Latin American-style death squads. The rich and ultra-rich are never going to let any government get control of their wealth. Huge bloody CONFLICT is coming. * * * Politicians keep repeating the old canard that the solution is to train and retrain Americans for the "jobs of the future." But they are either morons or are lying, since anyone who thinks about it can easily see that even if every American worker had an engineering degree or a computer science degree, the economy just doesn't need that many engineers and computer scientists. * * * * * * * Why don't more people see this? Why aren't more people talking about this? We are facing soon a catastrophe in the USA (and in other places) on par of the plagues in Europe that killed half of the population in certain areas, and on par with the depopulation in Europe brought about by WWI and WWII. Sure, you can just repeat the Luddite Fallacy, and proclaim that the economy will always create enough jobs for most people to survive. But there is no law of economics that says that any law of economics will always operate the same. Laws of economics are not like the laws of physics. Economies and life forms can and do evolve in fundamental ways that make former economic models and ways of life obsolete. I'm sure the last tribe of Neanderthals were certain that nothing was ever going to change, right before the Homo Sapiens swooped down on them, chased them into a dead end canyon were other Homo Sapiens were lying in wait with big clubs. * * * * * * * * * In the past the Luddite Fallacy was valid since machines always needed the mental acuity that only human operators could provide, and machines frequently needed maintenance by skilled human hands and minds. But now machines have mental functions that equal or surpass what humans can provide in most work functions. And computers aren't so much repaired anymore as just thrown away and replaced. How many cell phone repair shops have you ever seen? Even most laptop computers are replaced rather than repaired. More and more laptop computers never even need to be repaired for years and years. In short, when the economy has no use for most Americans, all h*ll is going to brake loose, & that's coming soon. * * * * *
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