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What kind of bit to use for english horse?

I have a little draft pony cross, hes wonderful and respectful in the ring, as he used to be my show pony. Im now 15 and do jumpers with a throughbred. And found a new job for my draft pony, i use him for pony club. "foxhunting", and trail riding. He is getting a TERRIBLE habit. He wants to be up the other horses rear, and follow to close. Hes VERY strong in the mouth. Ive been riding him in a d ring snaffle. But now on the trail or foxhunt, he jerks his head down and pulls me out of my seat. Also when trotting he grabs the bit and runs, or throws his head down and bucks. Now i DO NOT need advice on how to ride him, this is not hard or dangerous for me at all, im a very expeirenced and capable rider.It's simply annoying. I have a "Pelham" bit that i am considering trying (but dont know much about it), my trainer suggested a "kimberwick", i tried my "wonder bit" but its to big, im just wondering if anyone has ideas? Basically i need a bit that is good for a pony/horse that is extremely strong in the mouth when he wants to be, something that will give me plently of control and brakes, as well as something that can help me keep him from pulling his head down and attempting to unseat me. I, with my trainers help am correcting the problem. But my hands are just RAW, my gloves have tons of holes, and a formal/proper foxhunt is NOT the place to be fighting with a misbehaving horse.I need to figure out WHAT BIT TO USE! Otherwise its just to much hassle to keep using this pony instead of my throughbred. His habits are NOT due to being agressive in any way, hes just feeling good, his bucks are not big enough to worry about they are simply frisky "horse play" when hes feeling good, and he is following his natural instiques to want to be up with the other horses. Hes not trying to get me off, or i would be on the ground! Hes telling me "GET OFF MY MOUTH SOME", but when all i have is a snaffle, i can not let him have his mouth, therefore hes just telling me to give him his head, which would be fine if i had the brakes when i needed them. this horse deffinitly does NOT need schooling, as a matter of fact hes a school master and a lesson horse for years. As ANY horse rider with experience would know, horses greatly change from being in the arena to a trail, or chaotic foxhunt. He does not get to run on a trail unless its a short controlled canter when asked of him. And as i said I DO NOT NEED TO BE TOLD HOW TO RIDE HIM. I need advice on what bit to use!!!

Asked By: TheePrincess. - 1/12/2009
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I would try a kimberwicke with the reins on the lowest hole. You could try a jointed kimberwicke or a port mouth. I think the pelham is a good idea also and that is probably the best answer because you have two sets of reins- snaffle for basic control, curb to help him collect and be more responsive to you putting on... More
Answered By: heather - 1/12/2009
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i agree with a Kimberwick bit but about the sticking the head down try using a daisy rein
Answered By: lady_bellarina - 1/12/2009
 
I know this isn't what you want to hear, but a bit isn't really your problem here. Your pony sounds sour and he needs to be reschooled by a knowledgeable person. Taking the bit between his teeth, bolting and bucking are alll dangerous habits that need to be worked out by someone who knows what they're doing. No... More
Answered By: Just Google It! - 1/12/2009
 
have you tried a dutch gag? you don't have to always use it on the last ring. you sound as though you know what you are doing so take no notice of the people who will lecture you...
Answered By: RACH - 1/12/2009
 
I too suggest a kimberwick, but make sure it is the right size. I would not only suggest that, but also when your horse is closing in on others and you don't want him to, turn him around and go the other direction or just stand quietly until he understands that you are responsible for his rate of speed and placing in... More
Answered By: Bobbi - 1/12/2009
 
Dr. Bristol: a double-jointed mouthpiece with a flat rectangular link in the middle. Applies pressure similarly to the French link, although slightly more severe, because the link in the middle is angled to put the thin edge against the tongue, lips, and bar, creating a pressure point... More
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Answered By: kt - 1/12/2009
 
I would definately reccomend a kimberwicke or a twisted wire snaffle. I have seen 5 year old kids controlling haflingers, cobs, even larger horses with kimberwickes. Lots of ponys have the problems yours does, and kimberwickes are usually the solution.
Answered By: Kendra W - 1/12/2009
 
i would say the double jointed bit or the kimberwick
Answered By: pink_horse010203 - 1/12/2009
 
how about some good old fashioned schooling. This horse was obviously good in this bit before and has been allowed to let his schooling slip. so rather then take the shortcut why not go back and do things properly
Answered By: faye - 1/12/2009
 
Do NOT put this horse in a Pelham, Dutch gag or anything with leverage - the action is downwards and you're trying to keep his head UP... More
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Answered By: Debi - 1/12/2009
 
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