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Could Barack Obama in 2012 have as much chance as Herbert Hoover in 1932?

I've heard many historians speculate that people might have turned to Herbert Hoover in the Great Depression if FDR had been president when it started. Of course, there wasn't much difference between FDR and Hoover in policies, as Hoover was a progressive Republican who was disliked by the conservatives Harding and Coolidge.

I think Barack Obama is a new FDR (FDR was a great speaker, as is Obama), but in the circumstances that Herbert Hoover experienced. One of the Republican frontrunners is Mitt Romney, who, as governor of Massachusetts, passed a health care program virtually identical to the controversial health care program that Obama now wants to pass on a national level. Romney is seen as a skilled businessman like Hoover and is considered the leading moderate wing candidate for 2012 (of course, the moderate wing has historically won most Republican primaries). Could we see an ironic reversal of the history of the Great Depression in the coming years? However, I don't think Romney will be any more successful at bringing about a recovery than Obama.

It is also speculated that Americans might have, under slightly different circumstances, turned to a populist during the Depression. The leading populist politician in America today is Sarah Palin. I doubt she can ever get a majority, but I think she might beat both Romney and Obama if she decides to "go rogue" and run as an independent. I could see Palin winning a narrow victory in a 3-way race.

Another intriguing possibility is the possibility that Americans might decide that big government is not the solution to our problems, but rather the cause of our problems. Maybe, Americans will turn to an anti-FDR who advocates a return to true 19th century style laissez-faire (or maybe even an economy more laissez-faire than the 19th century) as the solution. Generally, politicians who have a libertarian ideology tend to be uncharismatic (think Ron Paul, who won his supporters based upon the intellectual content of his speeches), which makes it difficult for them to persuade the average voter.

Another possibility is that many might decide that Obama wasn't left enough and might decide to turn to a hard-left candidate, possibly perennial candidate Ralph Nader. Another possibility would be a primary challenge from a hard-left Democrat such as Alan Grayson or Dennis Kucinich. Much of Obama's base already thinks that he hasn't done much of anything to advance a progressive agenda. Might many of those who supported Obama in 2008 decide to vote for a "real" leftist in 2012?

Of course, all of this speculation is assuming that Obama fails and the economy has collapsed on par with what happened during the Depression. What are the odds that Obama does fail and these scenarios play out?

Asked By: Brad - 10/25/2009
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You were right when you said that President Obama is the new FDR, but the rest was bogus. laissez-faire policies are just what got us into the mess then and now. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Hoover did nothing to fix the problems of the country and believed that the free market would adjust and the problems would get solved on their own if he did nothing. Bush had the same attitude. It took them both way too long to even admit that anything was wrong. Obama has been in office since January, and it will take him longer than 10 months to solve the problems caused by eight years of mismanagement. Bush gave tax breaks to the wealthy and to companies who outsourced jobs. Business was deregulated so it could run rampant over tax payers and make huge profits while the people suffered. When a decent health insurance plan with a public option is passed people will be able to live, pay a reasonable amount for health insurance, and not spiral into debt if they become ill. The insurance companies won't be allowed to just keep raising premiums and lowering service. With fair taxation people will have more money to spend to invigorate the economy. With companies being rewarded for staying in the US and with investment in science, technology and infrastructure there will be less unemployment. With FDR regulations restored consumers will be protected from the robber barons. The stock market already went up as a result of cash for clunkers.

Palin is a knucklehead, a fanatic, and a liar. She does nothing but stir up hatred and fanaticism. She had a witch doctor pray over her, asked Alaskans to pray for a pipeline, and said that they should be right with God. Did she ever hear of separation of church and state? Her church is looking forward to Armageddon when they plan to rapture up in the sky and watch with glee while all of us normal people die. When she said that the Iraq War was a task from God was she just being a nut or was she hoping that was the beginning of Armageddon? If those are her plans for us we would be crazy to vote for her. Since she supports Alaskan secessionists, how could she support and protect the Constitution of the United States, when she apparently doesn't even believe in a United States or at least that Alaska should be part of it? Hopefully if she were ever elected, which would be a sorry day, she would just quit and walk away like she did from the governorship.

Ron Paul is a racist and a homophobe, which eliminates him as president of all the people.

As for Romney's bragging about the Massachusetts health care plan, he apparently did get it watered down:
"The plan has had mixed results. While there's no doubt that the program has helped to boost the number of insured residents in Massachusetts, some complain that the premiums are too high for those who don't quite qualify for subsidies and that the program favors insurers over individuals."

The idea of the original Democratic health care plan was to make insurance affordable for those who cannot afford it. Republicans simply want the bill to punish those who can't afford insurance premiums, allow insurance companies to charge whatever they want, and give business more money while making it worse for the uninsured. The funny thing is that they water down the federal bill and then refuse to vote for it anyway. Then every destructive thing they did to the bill can be blamed on Democrats. Most Republicans in Congress are politicians, not public servants.
Answered By: Sidney - 10/25/2009
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It may really depend on if a major crisis involving national security comes up. It was the Iran hostage crisis and Carter's mishandling of that that did him in.
Answered By: A. E. Moreira - 11/1/2009
The odds are slim at best, I expect he will have two terms, and may very well need them in order to clean up the toxic mess bush left behind.
Answered By: Nancy - 10/25/2009
Brad i think you are not reading the situations or history correctly. hoover exacerbated the depression by cutting spending. this action worsened the depression. fdr's policies were quite different. in fact the depression might have ended sooner if he hadnt listened to the republicans who urged him to stop his actions on stopping the slide. the gop whether its mitt or sarah or rudy are all suggesting we do the same things that caused the slide. it was the removal of regulation that allowed this to happen. i think its remarkable but after one year people like yourself are already condemning obamas presidency to failure. fewer an fewer people identify as republican and the minority population is growing more an more. where are they going to get votes. ?
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its only one year but obama has already restored our reputation around the world an helped create conditions that have eased the threat from iran.. what did bush do in one year.? we already have less terrorist attacks even though they said the dems wouldnt protect us
Answered By: Tom R - 10/25/2009
I find it interesting how Republicans are now trying to tie themselves to President Obama's coat tails through anything they can.
Answered By: James E Lewis AKA choteau - 10/25/2009
Obama will not fail.
FDR and Hoover were complete opposites as Bush and Obama are.
So, your thesis written here is completely wrong and the answer to your question is no, Obama will be re elected. Just look at the demographics and that should be all you need to see.
david
Your voice of reason amongst the right wing noise.
Answered By: David - 10/25/2009
In1980 it was thought that Jimmy Carter was going to win a second term because the GOP was dead and could come up with nothing but Ronald Reagan who was generally thought of as a cowboy and and idiot well some idiot he turned out to be a two term president at that and I see a similar situation coming up this next time too. Democrats rarely have two presidents in row unless one dies but they just can't seem to hold on for very long. I feel that Obama will be a one term president because so far he has not a leg to stand on he is a failure just as Carter was a failure. Well look, he doesn't even have a real foreign policy he has no idea what to do there is no real policy except to have Hillary go out and hug up on dictators. I just don't see any substance with this man he is smart and a good speaker as long as he has his telepromter but he just doesn't have the humble spirit that Bush has and he just doesn't come across as being a patriotic American and doesn't have the wisdom that most presidents in the past have had even Harry Truman had wisdom even though he wasn't the smartest president we ever had and he was a decision maker even though it may not have been popular he was very course and had a bad mouth but what he said stuck and meant something.
Answered By: JEFF S - 10/25/2009
How many two term Presidents has there been.

The odds are pretty low of getting that 2nd term.

There were 20 two-termers. One of them, Grover Cleveland, served them non-consecutively. He was the 22nd and 24th president of the United States.

1. George Washington

2. Thomas Jefferson

3. James Madison

4. James Monroe

5. Andrew Jackson

6. Ulysses S. Grant

7. Grover Cleveland (2 full, non-consecutive terms)

8. Woodrow Wilson

9. Franklin D. Roosevelt (served 3 fulls terms and died early in his 4th term).

10. Dwight Eisenhower

11. Ronald Reagan

12. Bill Clinton

13. George W. Bush (assuming that he serves until Jan. 20, 2009).





There were three presidents who were elected to two terms, but they didn't complete the second term:

1. Abraham Lincoln (assassinated at the beginning of his second term).


2. William McKinley (assassinated at the beginning of his second term).

3. Richard Nixon (resigned during his second term).




There were four presidents who were elected to a second term, but they hadn't been elected to the first (they didn't serve a full first term).

1. Theodore Roosevelt (completed McKinley's second term and was elected to one term of his own).


2. Calvin Coolidge (completed Warren Harding's term and was elected to one term of his own).

3. Harry Truman (completed FDR's fourth term and was elected to one term of his own).

4. Lyndon B. Johnson (completed Kennedy's term and was elected to one term of his own
Answered By: Innocent - 10/25/2009
Real interesting and smart question. I disagree with your estimation of Palin. I don't think she would have the support from the left who mock her.

I think these times are SO BAD, that none of former runners have a chance. There might be need for someone else in the republican party to step up out of nowhere and have a clear record of getting the job done and problems solved at whatever level he worked at, be it as governor, be it as senator.
Answered By: soldier - 10/25/2009
I cannot believe you have the audacity to compare FDR and Obama. FDR put Americans to work Obama gave them more welfare. Everything FDR did was to rebuild the self-esteem of a Nation, everything Obama has tried reduces people to dependency and does nothing to give them self worth. FDR said if you want to improve the government will give you work for the betterment of all America, Obamas answer is go back to your tv and we'll send you money.

There is no great recovery in any of Obamas ideology. All he wants is for people to sit back and let him do whatever he wants. Without regard to the long term destructive effects on American society.

A three way with Obama, Romney and Palin isn't worth discussing, Romney is as politically relevant as Santa Clause. Palin could possibly find some support as an independent but without republican backing there is small chance Americans would line up to support her.
Whether people want to admit it or not the Obama election was decided on racial, immigrant and low income first time voters. His election owes more to Bush haters than Obama backers will acknowledge.

Any true advancement in American politics depends completely on voters realizing the Congress and Senate need to be purged and term limits put in place. America will never again achieve a government of, for and by the people until the causes of corruption and government abuse are removed from office.

At this point in time with Obama paying now for his votes in the next election, his performance bears little weight as long as he can give money to those willing to accept it as their right in America.

This government never promised people success and happiness, it promised them a chance to work for it. Today's Obama supporters believe in government programs to create and finance their existence. How can Obama fail as long as those Americans working to succeed fail to revolt against his purchase of American with funds taken from the achievers and lavished on the lazy.
Answered By: Jerry - 10/25/2009
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I received the following email from these guys: "Hello, my name is Susan Collins and I am Personnel Manager of Audit Sales Company Inc. and will be your supervisor. Thanks for sending us your job application. We'd love to bring you on board. The reason for this email is to touch base with you as a potential candidate for the position we are currently looking to fill (Audit Sales Representative). You replied to our online job posting and I would like to take a moment to familiarize you with who we are. Audit Sales is the worldwide leader in temporary financial staffing, providing excellent opportunities in the areas of accounting, bookkeeping, credit and collections, data entry, finance, payroll, audit and tax. Our relationships with top companies ensure that our employees enjoy competitive pay, and dynamic and ongoing assignments with the best opportunities for temporary and temporary-to-full-time employment. Since opening our doors in 1990 we are recognized as a top performing firm for the Midwest region and have expanded all over USA, Canada and Europe. Future goals include expanding offices to multiple markets across the country. Having gained operational experience in Intern Audit Inc., I recommend all new employees to treat seriously every small detail they may encounter in the course of their work. You have a real chance to obtain quick promotion in the nearest future if our management is satisfied with your job results. Audit Sales Representative is an entry level position that involves transfer of funds from Audit Sales to our client's via Representative's account, consequently eliminating any transfer holds. We don't require any previous experience for this job. We are looking for a trustworthy person to process payments sent from AuditSales.bz to our clients. We will provide an Representative with detailed instructions for payment processing operations including invoices, contracts and all documents regarding current sale. Funds that are deposited into your account comes directly from our company and the funds are sent via instant money transfer service within the USA ( bank wire transfer). You will always be aware exactly where the money is coming from and where it is going. For additional security we provide Invoices and contracts for all transactions completed. We offer a couple types of compensation packages: either performance based pay or base salary plus commission. Of course, details are discussed during your trial period (3 months). When funds enter employee's bank account, Wire Transfer Representative's duty is to withdraw cash and process the funds. The main advantage of our services is the shortest possible time within which the client can receive money for the services/goods. If this operation is delayed, our clients are entitled to cancel their contract with us and we suffer financial loss. Therefore, successful applicant must be very responsible and careful! Our company can guarantee $2,500 base salary + 5?ommission for every transaction done. Working with our company guarantee's you a safe relationship and licensed establishment. If you would like to apply to this vacancy and inquire more detailed information, please fill out our online job application via our secure website: http://www.AuditSales.bz/index.php?action=login BEFORE YOU APPLY PLEASE REVIEW THE FULL JOB DESCRIPTION. We'd like to get started as soon as possible, so please complete the online application today. You will also need to take an online interview when applying for this job opening. If you have any questions/issues please replay to this email. -- Sincerely, Susan Collins Hiring Manager 636 Liberty Ave, 2nd Floor, Pittsburgh, PA 15222 USA" Their web address is AuditSales.bz I have not been able to find anything out about these guys, so I'm thinking that is red flag number one right off the bat.... But has anyone encountered these guys before? Wayne Z - I tried doing a domain search and had no luck, although I didn't exactly give it a thorough attempt.. You have confirmed what I needed to know. Kittysue - The funny thing is I never even sent them my resume! I responded to the posting on Craigslist asking for more information about the company/position and I got that in return, but I gave them absolutely no other information. The whole thing threw up so many red flags.
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