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What is "slop?" and why would it make a gun more reliable?

I am really cheap. I like to spend my money wisely. One way is I buy used guns. I needed a gun for home defense (I moved into a bad neighborhood). So this guy who lost his job was willing to sell me an old gun with some ammo really cheap.

The gun was made in Spain. It is a Star Model "B" in .38 Super. From the box it came in, I think the guy's Dad bought it in the 60's or 70's. Anyway, it is extremely reliable. It hasn't jammed yet, with any of the clips. Full metal jacket or hollowpont, no difference. It doesn't jam. Not too bad for a $150 dollar pistol.

I once mentioned to the rangemaster that my gun was very reliable and never jammed. He laughed. He said "Of course not. Your gun was made with a lot of "slop," in the parts."

What would that translate into, in normal American English? I have never heard of the term "slop." Does it refer to a type of steel or something?
"Loose Tolerances?" "Tight Tolerances?"

Huh? What?

Asked By: Newell - 5/28/2010
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Newell,

All things are relative in firearms - there is no 'free lunch'.

To make a pistol more accurate - you need to spend $$ to increase the toleances of the manufacturing equipment and more $$ fitting the parts. Since we cannot change the fact that byproducts of firing a pistol are power residue, oils, lead, copper and brass particles that can cause jamming - the trade off for accuracy is reliability and cost.

You want a reliable CCW 1911 45 pistol? Get a standard grade 'battle rattle' pistol. You want a 1911 that will always hit the black and never come close to the white zone of your target - you buy a Colt National Match Gold Cup or a nice Kimber.

Throw that Kimer or Gold Cup into a Galco Shoulder rig and use it for CCW - one tiny piece of belly button lint and they will jam. What will jam a Kimber or Gold Cup is just another day at the beach for a standard grade pistol.

It all depends on your application. Ask a dedicated target shooter - and he will tell you the standard grade models are for loosers. Where as your cop buddy who's been on the force for 15 years will tell you there is no reason to own a fancy shmancy Kimber or Gold Cup unless you are a Yuppie or idiot. And the thug down the streed doesn't care so long as he can cap some guy with your stolen gun.
Answered By: Glacierwolf - 5/28/2010
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It means it is a cheap gun, like pig slop it is alot of different foods ground together. same with your gun, a lot of different metals combined to make it cheaper.
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Answered By: Hunter - 5/28/2010
It just means that there are cheap or mixed together parts in the gun. What I don't understand is why he said that in response to your statement that it never jams. Normally the time when a gun is insulted is because it jams. You seem to have a poor shooting society in California. Might I suggest that you try another range or possibly a new area?
Answered By: Keyboard Commando - 5/28/2010
What it actually means is there is a lot of loose tolerances in the weapon, that it's got some slop in the mechanism, much like an AK has a lot of slop in the mechanism. Tight tolerances are prone to binding and jamming, especially if foreign material is introduced into the mechanism. A loose tolerance weapon, one with some "slop" in the mechanism is going to be more forgiving to foreign matter in the mechanism, and less prone to jam up or bind. It will however cost you some accuracy.
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Seriously newell, tight tolerances are a tight fit, where the machine work of the mechanism is made to be a very very tight, close fit. Loose tolerances allow for some wiggle room in the mechanism.
Answered By: Cane Toad Mutiny - 5/28/2010
Slop means that any moving parts or more correctly the contact points between most moving parts fit a bit loosely. While not having the gun lock up tightly does negatively affect the potential accuracy, it is also less likely for anything to bind up during operation. Put even simpler it means it won't be a tackdriver but it's not going to jam on you either.

Most military rifles are designed to have a bit of slop, as not only is reliability a must, this also accounts for heat as well as dust that may get into the firearm. Give any moving parts a little more room to move and it won't bother. Many competition guns have as little slop as possible due to less potential unwanted movement means more potential accuracy.
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For what your purposes are a pistol that has a little slop to it is a good thing
Answered By: ERIC - 5/28/2010
About slop,the precisely made guns of the germans,jammed in the frigid russian winter. the loosely made russian weapons functioned merrily on their killing way,nazis ,of course!
slop! the tolerances of manufacture, the tight tolerances of the Krauts{nazis},they siezed up,the slop of the russian manufacture kept working despite cold,snow or whatever got in there. So! sometimes slop works!
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slop is no good in an OR.
Answered By: Jessica - 5/28/2010
"Loose tolerances" means there is space between parts. The extra space jiggles and accuracy suffers since the parts are never in the same place when the bullet exits the barrel. But the loose tolerances also means that dirt and grime can be caught between parts and the gun will still function because the parts can still move and function. Conversely, a tight gun will be more accurate because the bullet will exit the barrel more consistently every time, but reliability suffers because dirt and grime can cause the parts to bind, i.e. stick together or jam.
Answered By: eddygordo19 - 5/28/2010
Yep. It is all about loose or tight tolerances.

Loose tolerances means parts are made with a .001" or two or three thousandths inches more loose fit or space between moving parts. Often said to increase reliability with firearm in every condition, ie., not-so-clean to very dirty. And said to work more reliably with poorly made ammo. And accuracy in the good to kinda-sorta range,

Tight tolerances mean parts are fitted tighter, with less space between moving parts. For many, this means more or better accuracy, and surprisingly, better reliability!

Go figure.
Actually, I have. People with the tighter tolerance guns pay more for them and take better care of them. Ie. cleaner, more well maintained. And go to lengths to keep them clean, even fire fights.

In a fight I would prefer a gun with tight fit between parts. More accurate..
While another would possibly prefer a looser fit gun. Possibly more dependable not maintained or in dirty condition.
But why bother? Buy what you prefer or can afford.

A Star model B in 38 Super will shoot reliably and very well with the brand ammo it likes.

Your question about steel...Lower priced firearms new generally are made from a serviceable, but lower quality steel. While the more expensive firearms are made from higher quality steel. Generally.
Answered By: Bob K - 5/28/2010
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