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If scientific theories have such a track record of being discredited...?

....why are they given such absolute (almost religious) authority

As a Christian I admit my beliefs are faith based, yet I hear scientific theory being boasted as "gospel" especially by evolutionsists

A small portion of the list of failed (superceded) scientific theories
This does not include obsolete or incomplete theories

Biology
Maternal impression – the theory that the mother's thoughts created birth defects. Rendered obsolete by genetic theory (see also fetal origins of adult disease, genomic imprinting)

Miasma theory of disease – the theory that diseases are caused by "bad air". Rendered obsolete by the germ theory of disease.

Preformationism – the theory that all organisms have existed since the beginning of life, and that gametes contain a miniature but complete preformed individual. Rendered obsolete by cytology, discovery of DNA and Atomic theory.

Recapitulation theory – the theory that "ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny". Always obsolete; see Baer's laws of embryology.
Spontaneous generation – the theory that life spontaneously emerges from dead matter. Rendered obsolete by abiogenesis/biogenesis.

Telegony (pregnancy) – the theory that an offspring can inherit characteristics from a previous mate of its mother's as well as its actual parents; a theory often associated with racism. Always obsolete; see heredity.

Chemistry
Classical elements – discredited by Rhazes

Caloric theory

Phlogiston theory – replaced by Lavoisier's work on oxidation

Part of Dalton's law

Vital essence theory

Physics
Emission theory of vision – discredited by Ibn al-Haytham (Alhacen)

Aristotelian theory of gravity – discredited by Muhammad ibn Musa, al-Biruni, al-Baghdadi and Galileo Galilei

Aristotelian physics – discredited by Alhacen, al-Biruni, Avicenna, Avempace, al-Baghdadi, Galileo Galilei and Isaac Newton

Luminiferous aether – failed to be detected by the sufficiently sensitive

Michelson-Morley experiment, made obsolete by Einstein's work.

Caloric theory – Lavoisier's successor to phlogiston, discredited by Rumford's and Joule's work

Vis viva – Gottfried Leibniz's elementary and limited early formulation of the principle of conservation of energy

"Purely electrostatic" theories of the generation of voltage differences.
Emitter theory – another now-obsolete theory of light propagation.

Progression of atomic theory

Plum pudding model of the atom – assuming the protons and electrons were mixed together in a single mass

Rutherford model of the atom with an impenetrable nucleus orbitted by electrons.

Bohr model with quantized orbits
Electron cloud model following the invention of Quantum Mechanics in 1925 and the eventual atomic orbital models derived from the quantum mechanical solution to the hydrogen atom.

All of classical physics, while useful in practice, is in principle superseded by relativistic physics and quantum physics, to which classical physics is often a close approximation.

Astronomy and cosmology
Ptolemaic system – obsoleted by Copernicus

Geocentric universe – obsoleted by Copernicus and Galileo

Copernican system – obsoleted by Johannes Kepler and Isaac Newton

Newtonian gravity – superseded by general relativity, to which it is an excellent

approximation unless the masses involved are very large or the distances very small. The Perihelion precession of Mercury was the first experimental evidence against Newtonian gravity; it also fails to describe black holes correctly.

Ether theory

Steady State Theory was a model developed by Hermann Bondi, Thomas Gold, and Fred Hoyle of an expanding universe that had no beginning. It was once a competitor of the Big Bang model until the Big Bang was confirmed as the preferred model after the discovery of the cosmic microwave background.
[edit] Geography and climate

Flat Earth theory. On length scales much smaller than the radius of the Earth, a flat map projection gives a quite accurate approximation to true distances and sizes, but distortions become increasingly significant over larger distances.

Hollow Earth theory
The Open Polar Sea, an ice-free sea once supposed to surround the North Pole

Rain follows the plow – the theory that human settlement increases rainfall in arid regions (only true to the extent that crop fields evapotranspirate more than barren wilderness) (glnbal warming?)

Geology

Expanding Earth theory was superseded by subduction
Catastrophism was largely replaced by uniformitarianism

Psychology

Pure behaviorist explanations for language acquisition in infancy, superseded by the study[clarification needed] of cognitive adaptations for language.

The blank slate theory of socialization, disproven by research on cross-cultural universals and evolutionary psychology
Medicine

Theory of the four bodily humours –
Well shoot it only posted half the list...... which was less that half of the original list.

My question was...if form follows form current scientific theory will be superceded by the next theory...so why do we treat them as the "gospel truth"?
If the discard false ideas......but in the case of evolution specifically, they don't....they redefine the definitions
Interesting that nobody answered the question...that being why do we accord it such authority
Interesting that nobody answered the question...that being why do we accord it such authority

Asked By: No Chance Without Jesus - 6/16/2010
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Most of those "theories" are quite old and were proposed long before modern science provided the basis for analyzing things and before much of modern knowledge about fundamental basic facts had been accrued. Scientific theories are based on facts, and several of those "theories" you listed were mere speculations without any factual basis.

There are numerous scientific theories that have stood the test of time. Why didn't you list those? Could it be that you are prejudiced against science?

As for your Bible-based Christian beliefs, let's see how the Bible stacks up.

According to Ecclesiastes 1:5 the sun actually goes around the earth--as, of course, it must, since, according to Ps 93:1, Ps 96:10, and 1 Chr 16:30, the earth does not move. And the earth cannot move because, according to 1 Samuel 2:8 and Ps 75:3, it is placed on pillars. And because it is placed on pillars, it has an underside and an upper side, as confirmed by Isaiah 40:22 which indicates that the earth is a flat disk.

(If earth were a sphere it would not have an under side and an upper side. The Hebrew word translated as "circle" in Isaiah 40:22 is chuwg, which means "circle" not "sphere." Strong's Concordance: "circle"..."describe a circle." Hebrew and Aramaic Lexicon of the Old Testament: "Circle...the earth conceived as a disc, Is 40:22." Hebrew-Aramaic and English Lexicon of the Old Testament: "draw round, make a circle." If a sphere were meant, the Hebrew word duwr would have been used.)

Since the biblical earth is flat, it has an underside and under the earth is the abyss, which is referred to several times in the Bible. That is also what is being referred to in Job 26:7 when it says that the earth hangs over nothing. Job 26:7 implies that the earth has an upper side and an underside, which the actual earth does not have. (The original Hebrew word translated as "upon" in that passage in the KJV also means "over.") The actual sphere of the earth in space is not "suspended' or "hanging" "over" or "upon" nothing. It is orbiting the sun at 66,700 miles per hour.

There are several other verses in the Bible indicating the earth is flat. Nebuchadnezzar's vision in Dan 4:10-11 clearly indicates the earth is flat (if it were not flat the tree could not be seen from all the earth), and Dan 2:28 states that the visions of Nebuchadnezzar are from God. If the biblical god says the biblical earth is flat, it must be flat.

The original Hebrew word translated as firmament is raqiya. That is a noun derived from the Hebrew word raqa, which is a verb meaning "to beat out." That term is used in the bible in reference to beating out metal into plates or expanses of the metal (as in Exodus 39:3). So raqiya, as a noun, would literally mean "that which is beaten out."

The idea is that the firmament, or sky, is a solid, beaten out expanse or vault set on the rim of the flat disk of the earth. The firmament holds back the waters that are above the firmament, as stated in Genesis. If the firmament were not solid, it could not hold back the waters.

This understanding is confirmed in Job 37:18, which states:

"Can you beat out the vault of the skies as he does,
hard as a mirror of cast metal?" (New English Bible. .)

There, the Hebrew word translated as "beat out" (or "spread out" in other versions) is, as noted above, raqa.

Also, the stars in the biblical cosmos are just lights set in the firmament. As mere lights in the sky, they will fall to the earth in the Last Days (Matt 24:29), something that is ridiculous considering the actual stars are other suns and many times larger than the earth.

Some might say that the language of such things is just poetic allusion. If that is so, how does one determine what is allusion and what is not? Even if it is poetry, that does not mean that it cannot reflect what the writers of the Bible actually believed. And if the Bible is the word of god and god does not lie, would he make statements that are not factual even if they are in the form of poetry? Moreover, the above descriptions provide a coherent, structurally consistent view of the biblical cosmos and that view is consistent throughout the whole Bible.

So, if god is not a liar, and the Bible is god's word, then the present, modern-day view of the cosmos is totally wrong.

On the other hand, if one fully accepts the modern, present-day view of the cosmos as factual, then one would have to conclude that either god is a liar or the Bible is not the word of god.

The fact is that the ancient Greek scientists knew that the earth is a sphere at the same time the writers of the Bible believed it to be a flat, immovable disk, supported by pillars, and covered by the solid firmament of heaven.

In the fifth century B.C., Democritus said that the Milky Way consists of an untold number of stars that cannot be seen individually with the naked eye. In the fourth century B.C. Aristotle presented several scientific arguments for a spherical earth, and Heraclides provided rational arguments to show that the earth is spinning on its axis. And in the third century B.C. Aristarchus even proposed a view of the solar system essentially the same as our modern view. He also measured the distance to the moon and its size with remarkable accuracy. Also in the third century B.C. Eratosthenes measured the circumference of the earth with remarkable accuracy.

Several early Christian writers believed the earth to be flat because of the Bible, including Eusebius, John Chrysostom, Lactantius, Tertullian, Theophilus, and Clement. In the sixth century, Cosmas Indicopleustes wrote a book called Christian Topology in which he used the Bible to prove that the earth is flat. The idea that atheists and evolutionists manufactured a myth that Christians used to think the earth is flat is just another creationist and Christian lie.

And don't forget. you Bible believers burned Giordano Bruno at the stake for saying in contradiction to the Bible that the earth moves, and you would have done the same to Galileo if he had not recanted

The original Flat Earth Society was Bible based.

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/fe-scidi.htm

And there are Bible-based Christian geocentrists who still say the earth does not move.

http://www.geocentricity.com/
Answered By: Lighting the Way to Reality - 6/16/2010
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Answered By: Hooda - 6/17/2010
Precisely, atleast christians admit their beliefs are believed in faith.
Answered By: andrew L - 6/16/2010
Wall of text, thanks for playing...
Answered By: curious moper - 6/16/2010
You do realize those hypotheses were discredited by OTHER SCIENTISTS, not by religious dodos, do you not?The ignorance of the average 'christian' is as tall as the wall of idiotic text you just posted. The whole IDEA of science is for people to print a hypothesis, and then have other scientists TEST THAT HYPOTHESIS. If it is found lacking, it dies. With religion, you just nod, drool, and mumble 'goddidit'. 'i believes it'.
Answered By: Its smee - 6/16/2010
You have just identified one of the great strengths of the scientific method and the scientific community in general. the ability to absorb new information and discard false ideas.
Answered By: Ms. Jessica - 6/16/2010
All of the theories that you listed were discredited by scientists using scientific evidence.

If YOU can use scientific evidence to discredit evolutionary theory, I'd be more than happy to see you do it.

I'll just wait here...
Answered By: O8SERVER - 6/16/2010
Scientific theory is discarded when it's proven false.
Religion is static and never discarded even when it's proven false.
Answered By: Marcus Aurelius II - 6/16/2010
To even ask the question is to (as usual, in your case) entirely miss the point.

Science is working EXACTLY AS INTENDED when old theories are discarded and replaced with ones with even MORE explanatory power.

It's not that the old theories were "wrong"; it's just that they didn't work under certain circumstances and were replaced with theories that were even MORE right.

For example: Apples didn't suddenly start falling UP when Einstein's theories on gravity supplanted Newton's; it's just that Newton's math breaks down when you start approaching relativistic speeds.

EDIT: The reason we didn't answer your "question" is because you're propping up yet ANOTHER straw man and insisting it's what other people really think. We DON'T have a religious level of reverence for modern scientific theories. If someone were to propose an alternative to evolution that had MORE explanatory power than natural selection, and it survived critical peer review, the scientific community would drop Darwin like a hot potato and never look back. The general public might take a little longer -- we still hold on to Niels Bohr's model of the atom in school textbooks, even though it's hopelessly obsolete.

And I shouldn't have to be the one to point this out to you, but "GODIDIT!!!" doesn't explain ANYTHING -- it's a wave of the hand, an "I dunno" wrapped in Bronze Age superstition. It says nothing of HOW, or WHY a given phenomenon is the way it is. It's a George W. Bush "Mission Accomplished" banner -- trying to claim credit for something when you haven't yet rolled up your sleeves and DONE anything...
Answered By: The Reverend Soleil - 6/16/2010
No chance without science.
Answered By: Andrea the Guitar Goddess - 6/16/2010
If you don't like science you should turn off your computer and communicate via homing pigeons.

Science is a self correcting process. Pointing out that it was wrong in the past doesn't in any way discredit current theories. Besides we acknowledge that even current theories aren't necessarily absolute truth, thats why we call them theories. They are however the best explanation mankind can come up with using all the evidence at our disposal.
Answered By: BlackJack - 6/16/2010
One of the reasons science is superior to faith is because theories *are* tested. That means that when theories are wrong, they're discarded, and replaced by better ones. It's why science works so d**n well, while religion doesn't.

EDIT -- Much of what you mention isn't even a product of Galilean (experimentally verified) science and was never posited or believed by scientists. For example, the flat earth "theory" was medieval religious doctrine, not science. Ancient Greek mathematicians had already determined that the world was round, and calculated its diameter. In other cases you dismiss valid theories, e.g., Newtonian physics is a special limiting case of General Relativity, which is why it works so well.

EDIT -- You're missing the point, I think. It is precisely because we *don't* accord science the authority of faith that it works so well. Theories are constantly tested and if they don't work, they're replaced with better ones. That's as true of evolution as of anything else. Our understanding of evolution is more sophisticated than Darwin's, and the future will understand evolution better than we do. But, you see, *better* is the key word here. We know more about the size and shape of the earth than Columbus, but that doesn't mean we're going to go back to thinking that the earth was flat.
Answered By: Josh - 6/16/2010
Yeah. That's what happens when ideas are not faith-based. You know, thinking, theories, hypotheses, proving, disproving... Being original and coming up with your own ideas.

Like Scientology, a credited religion! :)
Answered By: Billie - 6/16/2010
You're one of the smarter posters on this forum and I find it difficult to believe that you would still willfully deny the obvious to validate ideas that aren't crucial to your faith in anyway. It's just one story. It doesn't damage the message of Christ to accept evolution. I'd love for you to email me and explain your position.
Answered By: Think Outside the Ballot Box - 6/16/2010
Speaking of Miasma. I wonder what No Chance sounds like in person.
Answered By: thecrocoduck (RAWR) - 6/16/2010
Desperation to justify unbelief.
Answered By: Graham - 6/16/2010
Why are you asking this here? go ask in the science section and let even more people laugh at how stupid you are.
Answered By: Mustache Pete - 6/16/2010
When facts are discovered,new things are learned. Present theories are the present picture of reality. Once new fact are discovered the theory MUST change. That is how knowledge grows.
That is why religion is backwards. It is stuck in the Stone Age with its adherants still believing all sorts of things that have been disproved CENTURIES ago.

No one but Christians are claiming evolution is "gospel". Christians are great at trying to lie about what others think and say.

Lying for Jesus is still lying.
Answered By: Arthur Always - 6/16/2010
Got anything from this century genius?
Answered By: Random Panther - 6/16/2010
If you don't know how science works, please stop criticizing it...
Answered By: Martin G - 6/16/2010
The whole ethos of science is to seek truth. Science questions theories and refines them so as to move ever closer to that truth. Nothing is ever proven, only waiting for a better explanation which will then wait for a better explanation and on and on for ever. Science is a living, ever evolving facet of humanity not some stultifying mishmash of ancient superstition!
Answered By: Blodwenbogbrush - 6/16/2010
What you've shown is that as knowledge increases, ideas are adjusted or replaced accordingly. So the more we learn the closer we come to understanding the truth about the way things are.

Modern scientific theories get to the theory stage by being backed up by repeated experimentation, observation and evidence. Until it reaches that stage, it's a hypothesis. Scientific ideas are not "absolute", but are subject to refinement or if necessary being replaced.

They are not "gospel truth". "Gospel truth" is considered absolute by its believers, and is generally myth, and is very unlikely to approach real truth.
Answered By: Ceisiwr - 6/16/2010
And yet you happily reap the benefits of science every single day of your life...

The next time you take a trip somewhere, why don't you pray to Jesus to fly you there, instead of getting in your car or on an airplane? You won't, of course, which is an admission that you trust science more than Jesus (and you make this admission every day of your life).
Answered By: Hally M - 6/16/2010
It's called the "scientific method" - a theory exists until either it is proven beyond question, shown to be false or discarded in favor of another (usually a modification of the former) that closer fits the observed reality. That is its STRENGTH, not weakness.

Unlike blind faith, science continually questions and explores instead of just squatting on a set of tenets forever, ignoring any evidence to the contrary. The core of the method is repeatablity - a one-time observation is never accepted as final proof. Science explains to the limit of its instrumentality...when better tools reveal problems with previous conclusions, adjustments are made.
Answered By: TheMadProfessor - 6/16/2010
That is the exact reason why scientific theory should be considered gospel. Science is self-correcting which is why those theories that stand the scrutiny of peers should be considered gospel and those that have been discredited should be ignored.

Religion fails because refuses to discard notions that have been proven to be fallacious.
Answered By: JerryMc - 6/16/2010
I don't know who treats science as "gospel truth" - although some very long-established theories that no-one has been able to disprove are seen as bedrock solid. You don't seem to understand how science actually works. Theory is the best attempt to explain the current observable facts. Good theory is vulnerable to new observations etc - in other words, it inspires attempts to attack it in more than one ways. In so doing, greater knowledge is created and the theory must adapt to fit the new situation.

You cite Steady State Theory - the proponents were particularly pleased that it was open to disproof in so many different ways and thus generated some fantastic research. It still stood for a long time and when it finally became clear that it couldn't be adapted to fit the new known facts, it could still be proudly pointed to as a spur to a massive leap forward in understanding.

So we accord it 'authority' because we trust that it is the best possible understanding, that people are always working to challenge and improve it and no-one is sitting back and resting on their laurels or claiming that the work is done, finished and settled. The alternative is to have 'faith' - a totally different enterprise from science.

Oh, and if you're going to cut and paste from Wikipedia, at least acknowledge your source. That's one thing scientists always do. Anything otherwise is termed plagiarism. For those who are interested, the wall of text comes from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superseded_scientific_theories
Answered By: Ambivalent LAUreate - 6/16/2010
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The question explains it, i am thinking of going to an engineering high school but of course it will focus on other stuff too but still. What kind of jobs can you get because i dont want to be a mechanic(no offence to any) but please help me!
2 answers - Asked By: hungergameslover - 5/13/2013
L want to study medicine and work as a doctor but l am limited due to luck of required monyes. however l swtched on to anther career but still within my career interests as a care giver, but this is somthing to do with sales and marketing in the pharmcitical industry.
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Is there any difference between a "nurse practitioner" and an "advanced registered nurse practitioner"?
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I know that Escrow is within Title industry in Texas. What would be the best way to get my foot in the door. I am assuming I will have to start as an Escrow assistant and work my way up, but I would really like to find out more about this career path. How does an officer usually get licensed? Are there classes we need to take and exam to take? Any response is appreciated.
2 answers - Asked By: schang25 - 2/10/2006
My second interview is on Monday and I want to be prepared. It's for an assistant controller position. I've already met with the controller and the hr manager. Monday I will be meeting with the president of the company. How could I prepare myself for Monday's interview? Thanks! Any comments would be great!
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And a BA in criminology?
2 answers - Asked By: Taylor - 5/9/2013
I recently took an Intro To Computers course which was a full introductory course to how computers work ranging from software to hardware. I made a B average in that class, and I'm starting to wonder if the computer science degree I'm going for is the right major for me. I don't have a problem with math at all, in fact, I Love Math. I haven't taken a programming course yet, as I will starting the fall semester of this year. So is computer science a hard major?
3 answers - Asked By: Andrew - 5/6/2013
What kind of jobs can they look for if they receive "B Grade" in C++ & Java? Also, if no jobs for them are available in the Computer field, can they look for jobs elsewhere? If so, what types of jobs? Lastly, can they become Math Teachers at a High School or teach basic Math or Programming courses in College?
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