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Does global warming threaten our democracies?

In the ancient Rome Republic in the event of a crisis the Senate was able to appoint a dictator. The idea was that the “dictator” would serve in the role with virtually unlimited powers only until the crisis was concluded and would return power back to the Senate at the first possible opportunity. The Romans realised that the democratic process had flaws and would need to cede power to someone with a firm grip on to remedy problems that elected officials failed.

We are now facing a situation where our elected officials are afraid to take an ethical stand on climate change for fear of loosing their jobs at election time. Some who where firmly for action begin to soften their stance as elections approach while those originally against action begin to crank up the volume of their bluster.

http://ecocentric.blogs.time.com/2010/07/22/cap-and-trade-is-dead-really-truly-im-not-kidding-whos-to-blame/?xid=rss-topstories&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+time/topstories+(TIME:+Top+Stories)

http://www.news.com.au/features/federal-election/julia-gillard-to-hand-over-climate-policy-to-citizens-assembly/story-e6frfllr-1225895870006

The problem with this of course, especially in the US where there is only two years between fixed term elections, is there is a very narrow window of opportunity to get things done politically before the next election begins to influence a politician’s decisions. Voting for an issue that is unpopular to an uninformed or misinformed constituency http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft8LfE7AI2w&feature=PlayList&p=B8C2D2A80DEC15F1&playnext=1&index=28 can obviously be detrimental to perpetuating a political career. The US of course isn’t the only nation with this problem as it has also been appearing in other democracies such as Australia and Canada.

If politicians continue putting their careers ahead of what is ethical and fail to take action on an issue as the crisis deepens, will we be forced to put aside our democracies in favour of survival? The last time this democracy was put aside during a crisis in the Roman Republic, they ended up with Julius Caesar and an emperor.

(I know, I know, we have to pretend that we live in a democracy to answer this question)
Oooh yuck. I should have proof read that a bit more.

Asked By: Gwen - 7/23/2010
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I don't have a clue what's going to happen anymore.

In the USA, Democrats have majorities in the House, Senate, and they have the Presidency. A majority of Americans support a carbon cap and trade system. A majority even support it if it raises their electrical bills $10 per month. Polls have consistently shown this support. We just had a major oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. It's the hottest year on record. There are massive heat waves along the US East Coast. One of the President's main campaign issues was to enact a carbon cap and trade system. It seems like a perfect storm to get a climate bill passed, and yet once again, they failed. For the fourth time. It's just hard to fathom. What is it going to take for us to get climate legislation?

As you note, the problem is that we don't live in a democracy. If we did, we'd have a strong climate bill. Instead, 41 Republicans and a handful of fossil fuel-funded Democrats obstructed the legislation. The minority held our government hostage. What's worse, the Democrats didn't even make them filibuster. That really bugs me - a 41?inority can just say "we're going to filibuster" and they get their way. The Dems are spineless - make them stand up there and read the phone book for days on end. Don't just cave at the mere threat, that's just begging them to continue to abuse our government. It's so frustrating. In an election, a 59-41?in is a landslide. In the Senate, 41?cts like a majority. It's insane.

That's not even the worst part. Americans realize that our government isn't working properly, as the Romans did. Rather than put a dictator in charge, our solution is to elect more Republican politicians. The very people who created the mess we're in. The very people who are blocking every effort to solve the problems we're facing. The very people who offer no constructive suggestions of their own. That's how stupid we've become. The system is broken, and now we're going to light it on fire and dance around it like crazed maniacs. Republicans are firing rifles at their own soldiers, and now we're going to give them missile launchers.

Honestly I would much prefer an intelligent dictator with a well-informed advisory staff. It's not going to happen - Americans love to believe that we have this great democracy which is the envy of the world. That egotism played a big role in justifying the war in Iraq. We're going to spread our great democracy to the Middle East! Yeah, that worked out great.

Our republic is already broken, not because of global warming, but rather it's going to prevent us from addressing global warming. I'm just at a loss right now. We gave Democrats control of the government, and Republicans still found a way to obstruct progress. And now we brilliant Americans are going to reward them for it. A republic can't work if one of the parties is rewarded for abusing the system and preventing majority rule.

But our system isn't going to change. Americans also think it's patriotic to keep everything just the way it is. Trying to improve the way our country operates is considered unpatriotic. Several times deniers on this site have criticized me because I 'don't say anything good about America'. There are a lot of good things about our country, but there are a lot of bad things too. I want to fix them, but it's just not going to happen. I think America is on the decline, like the final days of the Roman Empire.

It's almost funny, if it weren't so pathetic. Obama was elected on a message of change. As soon as he tried to enact that change, he was labeled a socialist. In another answer, CO2 Expeller said he voted for Obama, but didn't realize he was going to increase the scope of government. w*f? That's exactly what he said he would do! Universal health care and a carbon cap and trade system - that's what we were promised, and that's the platform we elected him on. Just goes to show how intelligent the American voter is. Now they think the Tea Party is the change they want. Crazy libertarians like Sharron Angle who want to shut the government down completely.

Ultimately there are several problems. We would be fine if not for the filibuster rule in the Senate, but that prevents majority rule. On top of that, we have an extremely uninformed public which seems to vote for 'change' without understanding what they're voting for. We also have a popular right-wing media which is badly misinforming the public. And Democrats sadly are utterly spineless, except a few like Nancy Pelosi, who actually did manage to get cap and trade passed through the House. As Paul says, our government wasn't built for modern day problems, and the public isn't informed enough to figure out what the problems are and who's going to fix them.
Answered By: Dana1981 - 7/23/2010
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Yes, we live in a democracy to stop fools from making the rest of us do something we don't want to do because they think they know everything.

I for one believe that everybody should have to walk clockwise down the street: Whenever you leave a store you should always turn to the left. Even if the building you came out of is all the way to the right at the end of the street and your car is further to the right. You should walk to the end of the block then cross the road and go back the other way on the side that is going the right direction. Just imagine all the tragic accidents this will avoid as people stop colliding.
Answered By: Beam - 7/24/2010
The lack of ability to respond to global warming points out the obsolescence of the nation-state, which was invented to deal with the problems of a world long-gone. The lack of ability to distribute wealth when automation and information science have made us rich enough to produce everything society needs with less than 50?mployment points out the obsolescence of capitalism and socialism as economic models.

None of our present social systems were built for the world we live in. All are going to change radically within this half-century. Avoiding a descent into anarchy or hegemony will be the interesting part.
Answered By: virtualguy92107 - 7/24/2010
Sure, as long as it's my dictator, I'm game.

If it's your dictator though, I think you'll have some trouble.

then again... democracy rocks.
Answered By: Peter J - 7/24/2010
No. Excessive taxation and regulation by sneering, sanctimonious busybodies like you threaten republics like ours.
Answered By: Government Union Moron - 7/23/2010
It is an interesting premise and broaching the subject does address one of the major fears that is so often brought up here. Of course, we have provisions in our government for martial law in times of national emergency, so that mechanism is already in place. And we did see the Patriot Act instituted, which undercut certain Constitutional guarantees. In the past we have seen an Amendment passed that took away liberties...contrary to the intent of the Constitution, which was written to enhance and protect individual freedom. Of course, that one was eventually repealed. More recently, we have seen amendments proposed that restricted individual freedom and legislation enacted which in effect broadened the definition of the Constitution to include corporations.

So anything is possible, but if a truly national emergency developed due to Global Warming, I would guess we would enact Martial Law here in the U.S. and then figure out what to do legislatively. Absolutely though, there is a potential threat to Democracy as it is practiced in the United States, and the longer we remain polarized politically, the greater chance there is that such a threat would be realized.
Answered By: booM - 7/23/2010
Good to see someone knows how to think in this forum.
I am very pessimistic on that topic. The rightwingers from Fox on down appeal to the bumper-sticker crowd whose thoughts are about as long.
Attention span of another large group are limited to about 10 seconds. So if you don't have an answer or have promised a tax cut in that time you've pretty much lost them.
Another group doesn't give a sh__ because they're too busy thinking of new ways to game Wall Street, the customer or neighbor out of money.
So what's left?

I've made a joke of this, but what else can you do?
Once upon a time, 1700 something, people had the idea that the educated and the fortunate (educated w/money) had a moral duty to serve their country with their abilities.
Now it's for money and/or power. Nobody believes in "duty, honor, country" anymore except those soldiers who obey the power-mad ones in D.C.

So back to the question - we will not escape the bullet. A democracy depends on an educated people who intelligently (their mind's focus is above the belt) discuss issues then make the best decision for the country.
Do you see Republicans in their goose-stepping lock-votes doing that any time soon?
Do you see voters going for the tough-talking ones who honestly would be trying to balance the budget and decrease the debt?
And how would those rare, dedicated politicians do that when they must depend on the mega-rich to fund their way into office, then must force them to pay the price of the budget and deficit? (Who else could afford to do so?)
Answered By: Hiker - 7/23/2010
Who gives a flying f**k about the environment? Thats all Horse shit. And if it is real it would be hilarious to skrew our grandchildren over.
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Answered By: Steven H - 7/23/2010
Too long; Did not read. :D
Answered By: John Magnum - 7/23/2010
Your question is similar to one I asked yesterday.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=Akn9oZuwD90B8o4NrwMWOoLsy6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20100723001506AAUa0q1

I'm sure it has been no secret to any of us that politicians are self serving and hanging on to their jobs is more important than performing the duties they were elected to do.

But I will take a different tack in answering your question.

You ask..."Does global warming threaten our democracies?"

I say yes, but for this reason.

For first world countries to initiate and lock themselves into various climate change strategies...ETS, Cap and Trade etc, there will be an expectation that others follow.
Obviously, the atmosphere does not recognise country's boundaries.

I can only foresee international tensions if developing countries like China and India, do not adopt similar strategies to the developed world.

How is the developed world going to make these countries toe the line?
War?...Trade sanctions?

Is global instability worth the pursuit of atmospheric CO2 reduction.

This is the fear of this skeptic... I don't deny the marginal global warming, but I am far from convinced of the dire consequences trumpeted by the AGWers.

I fear more the consequences of global bully boys in enforcing the unenforceable.
Answered By: Seebob - 7/23/2010
The Benevolent Dictator...always a great idea...just this one time...it is so important...really, he'll gladly step down when the crisis is over.
I can't even for a moment begin to think how this is in any way a good idea! You think Global Warming is a problem? Try mass anarchy and Revolution...now that's where the fun begins!
Answered By: Bad Moon Rising - 7/23/2010
If we had the will and the means to install the kind of dictatorship you want, we wouldn't need it.

Julius Caesar came to power at the head of an army, and I don't think that would get you what you want.

American democracy, even more than democracy in other advanced countries, is broken. It was designed in an age before corporate power, mass communications, or major industrialisation. It is ill-equipped to deal with externalities, such as the effect my smokestack has on your climate. It no longer effects the most important or all checks and balances, the check that political power imposes on economic power. A kind of Darwinian process has ensured domination by the ruthless and the spineless.

I am reminded of an EM Forster short story in which civilisation collapses because "the machinery that was built to repair the Machine is itself in need of repair".

Have a nice day.
Answered By: Paul B - 7/23/2010
Only if you want to turn the planet over to India & China

It’s clear global warming/climate change is real. It’s equally clear the > current < warming cycle has been going on since the last ice age and that’s why the Sahara was grassland 10,000 years ago but is desert today. The fact the current warming trend started long before there was any industry and when there were hardly any people is good evidence humans are not the cause. It also means humans are not the solution.

The Earth goes through constant climate change cycles and has done so throughout its history. The exact mechanism is not well understood but appears to be related to the sun + solar activity. Note that the Earth is apparently at the end of the current warming cycle and should begin cooling soon (“soon” in geological terms).

All of the carbon tax/carbon offset BS is just robbery or extortion disguised as science. Countries like China and India LOVED the idea of carbon taxes/carbon offsets – but only when they could pretend to be “undeveloped”. Once it was pointed out both are horrific polluters of > every type < they suddenly weren’t so keen on the idea. Only the global Left and countries like North Korea & Zimbabwe still love the idea of carbon taxes.

The Left loves the idea because they are dedicated to destroying the West in general and the USA in particular. Getting the developed world to wreck its own industrial base is something they want. Having the West simultaneously give free guilt-money to countries like North Korea & Zimbabwe would just make it better.

Unfortunately, scientific research has been compromised by the politics of the subject. The academic community leans far to the Left, so researchers who “prove” human-caused global warming (AGW) are rewarded with more grants, but researchers who don’t “prove” AGW find themselves cut off.

The politics of the issue are a problem because we really do need to understand how the Earth works so we can anticipate, predict, and adjust. We also need to reduce actual pollution that is poisoning our environment, and countries like China & India shouldn’t get a free ride.
Answered By: NOLA guy - 7/23/2010
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