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Biblically and/or spiritually speaking: what are your views on the following social issues and why?

1. socialism
2. outsourcing
3. affirmative action/equal opportunity
4. welfare
5. universal healthcare

Asked By: Lafla - 7/26/2010
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1. socialism -- depends on how it's done. I call myself a socialist, but I don't favor the same kind of socialism as Hitler claimed to promote, or Stalin.

Biblical / spiritual basis for socialism - several. They include strong NT / OT focus on justice, mercy, care for the poor and oppressed.

There even is a kind of "communism" supported by the Book of Acts, Chapter 6, based on what the early Christian church practiced in Jersulem, and some Christians throughout history -- eg Sir Thomas More, author of "Utopia" -- have leaned towards communistic economics for that reason.

But the OT seems to favor a more individual arrangement to ensure social and economic justice -- "And every man beneath his vine and fig tree, shall live in peace, and unafraid." -- That's the Prophet Isaiah, I think.

Another concept supported by the OT - the idea of land reform / land redistribution every 49-50 years, during the Year of Jubliee.

2. Outsourcing -- well, I think a Christian employer would consider his/ her employees to be brothers and sisters in Christ, and wouldn't eliminate their jobs in hopes of getting cheaper labor from outside of the company.

3. affirmative action / equal opportunity -- "There is neither male nor female, neither Jew nor Greek, neither slave nor free, but all are one in Christ Jesus." I think NT Christianity strongly supports the goal of racial justice and equal opportunity.

1 or 2 caveats, though: Christianity would not support discrimination against white people any more than it supports discrimination against non-whites.

Also, a big problem with affirmative action and equal opportunity is that they often both operate in a "competive" & capitalist atmosphere cursed with a scarcity of too few decent jobs, too few university opportunities.

I think NT Christianity with its emphasis on justice, compassion & love of neighbor would try to work for good opportunities for all.

4. Welfare -- the OT contains a prescription for a primitive welfare system - laws that say a rich person shouldn't harvest grain to the very corners & borders of his fields, but should leave a fringe unharvested for the poor to use to feed themselves. However, the OT also permitted the temporary enslavement of individuals for debt -- although the practice was roundly criticized by the Prophet Amos.

I think the general thrust of the OT and the NT would be that society should show compassion towards the poor, and should provide a welfare system if this is the best way of showing compassion towards the poor. Many Christians and Jews, however, would agree that providing people with paying employment is better than just supporting people on the public dole. Better for society, also better for the spirit / minds of the poor.

5. Universal healthcare - this isn't specifically mentioned anywhere in the Bible that I know of. But again, there is a strong emphasis in both NT and OT on social justice, on loving your neighbor as yourself, and on compassion and assistance for the poor, the weak, the widowed and the oppressed.

In our society, with its soaring medical costs, I think a Judeao - Christian social ethic leads in the direction of supporting some system of universal health care.

Religious Jews & Christians might well disagree on the details of how that system should work, of course.

But it's impossible to imagine Jesus or Moses or the Jewish prophets approving of a society in which the poor are forced to die early, and to suffer from bad health while alive, because they can't afford the expensive medical care that the wealthy have available.

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Alternate spiritual / philosophical basis for supporting social justice, love for neighbor, compassion for the poor etc. -- general patheistic philosophy of Spinoza, and/or the mystical approach favored by Christian heretics, Buddhist and Hindu holy men, some Sufis, the philospher G.W.F. Hegel, and the Beatles song "Yellow Submarine."

The notion that we all are one, all parts of a universal Godhead or universal substance, and that we all partake in one another's joys and sorrows. If you believe that oneness with other people & the universe, or just feel that it's right, you intuitively want other people to experience more joy than sorrows.

-- agnostic / former member of evangelical Christian prayer group and Bible study group
Answered By: Andy F - 7/26/2010
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1. Socialism kills freedom.
3. Equal opportunity exists when the American Constitution is followed properly.
4. Welfare, it makes the person dependent- kills their freedom.
5. It's socialism, and socialism realistically doesn't work.
Answered By: danibel - 7/26/2010
All of those would not be big issues at all if we were not overpopulated and over consuming.
Answered By: Old Man from Scene 24 - 7/26/2010
1: against.

2: against.

3: against/for.

4: for, for those that need it on a temporary basis, not as a lifestyle.

5: against.
Answered By: Iron_Plague - 7/26/2010
I believe in Universal Healthcare; the rest of the issues I don't know, I'll leave it up to others to figure out. WWJD?
Answered By: Bridge - 7/26/2010
1. It has good intentions, but carrying the actions out makes it iffy to many people.
2. I'd say a balance is needed. People in other countries need money, too.
3. No-brainer. Should be a given.
4. Keep it. People need SOME money for food and shelter.
5. Get it ASAP in America. We need it badly.
Answered By: ♣Älmighty Ätheist♣ - 7/26/2010
My view is that no man has the answers but that when Jesus returns He'll make it right.
Answered By: pward3664 - 7/26/2010
1. Socialism is a nice idea for making the world better for the poor, but if everyone is equal then there is no reason to work hard or do better.
2. A business is supposed to make money not be patriotic, and putting their factories in countries that have cheap labor makes them more money. It might stick it to Joe Everyman back in the States, but business is about the bottom line not keeping blue-collar barflies happy.
3. As a black guy I love affirmative action, but as an advocate of equality I can see how it hurts whites and Asians just as much as it helps black and latinos.
4. Welfare can be a good thing, but it can also be abused by people to lazy to work.
5. Universal healthcare is something that is great for people who can't afford their hospital bills, but for those who do can afford healthcare it's just a pain in the @$$
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Answered By: JC - 7/26/2010
None of these things have, in themselves, biblical or spiritual ramifications.

It is HOW we deal with each of them that involves biblical insight or spiritual connection.

It doesn't matter if you are in a socialist state or a capitalist one or a commune or any other type. Christ said to render to Ceaser the things that are Ceaser's. You can be a good spiritual bible following person under any "form" of government. How you respond to the details of how that system is expressed can be moral, spiritual, and biblical, or not.

The same is true for "outsourcing" which just means hire another company instead of your own to do certain tasks. It is neither good nor bad, spiritual or unspiritual, biblical or unbiblical. It is simply a way to do something. It can be done morally or not.

Same goes for affirmative action. It is a name for a process that can be done morally or not.

Welfare normally means governments using tax revenues to help certain constituencies identified as needy. The bible does not speaks a lot about charity and helping the needy. It does not require that this be done by government program. That is one way to do it. It can be done well or poorly by governments, morally and biblically or immorally.

Again. The same. Universal health care is a way to set up medical systems in a country. It includes providing care for the needy (a very biblical principle) but certainly that is not the ONLY way to provide health care for the needy.
Answered By: enginerd - 7/26/2010
1. It means well, but idk.
2. Other people need jobs too. The money flows back into the economy anyway at some point.
3. I say hire whoever is most qualified, whatever their ethnicity/gender, but don't hire people just because they're a minority.
4. I'm all for it for those that need it as a temporary assistance.
5. All for it.
Answered By: Joshua - 7/26/2010
1. Socialism was practiced by the early churches and it tends to be a problem for purely capitalistic economies. Ultimately it comes down to what a society is willing to pay for and how it intends to fund it.

2. I'm fine with it, until it means my job. Again this is a great thing in a capitalistic economy but it also creates problems.

3. Affirmative action probably has seen its day in most places. We need to concentrate on accepting and celebrating our diversity rather than regulate it. EOE may be a similar situation.

4. Some people abuse it and raise children to abuse it. Other people benefit from it. It could/should be better, but our political system will not be able to effectively deal with it.

5. In concept it is probably a good thing, however the approach was disastrous and the result is yet to be seen. Mostly the approach was a political and constrained by unrealistic time expectations. It should have been approached as an engineering problem and decided on merit/cost benefit rather than political lines.
Answered By: Pirate AM™ - 7/26/2010
1. Usually gets corrupted, and turned into a form of state capitalism.
2. Needs controls in place to ensure that foreign workers are not subjected to conditions that would be unacceptable for British workers; otherwise, there's no point having laws protecting employees' rights if they can be so easily subverted. We probably need to work with our Continental cousins on this one, as Britain alone lacks the financial clout.
3. Equal opportunity = good, affirmative action = bad.
4. There are too many people on the dole; we need to start investing in industry at home. See 2.
5. It's the foundation of a civilised society -- but £7.20 for a bl**dy prescription is about 144 bob too much!
Answered By: sparky_dy - 7/26/2010
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