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Could we eliminate most of the illegal alien problem by eliminating the minimum wage?


The point is if we could pay Americans less they could get those jobs.
Oh so we would have to eliminate the benefits that US citizens get before they could compete with the illegals. That is a thought.

Asked By: FOOD FIGHT! - 8/11/2010
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I think the best way to eliminate the problem is to...

1) Take unemployed persons with construction experience down to the Southern Border and BUILD THE FENCE !! Provide them with FEMA trailers, good mess-halls, movie-tents... just like a good old 1930's Public Works Administration (PWA). Pay them 2/3's the rate of Union contractors, help them INVEST the money smartly, and give them a smaller version of the VHA loan program for their assistance to the Nation.

2) Take unemployed police / military and put them to work for Border Patrol / ICE in a similar situation.

3) Take unemployed persons with no skills and get them out there harvesting what is LEFT of our agriculture output.

I have a ranch with grapes, walnuts, and apples... and I can NOT get a single US Citizen to take a job picking ( I pay $10-15 an hour, well over Cal-State minimum for citizens OR migrant workers). I've gone to the unemployment office and POSTED a need for workers and get NO TAKERS !!

SO I had to spend several thousand the first season to get a licensed contractor to hire me LEGAL and documented migrant workers. NOW I hire the SAME family of 5... for the last 4 years I pay for their paperwork, their transport up here on Greyhound, I house them in our guest house, and half the time they eat at our table. I pay THEM $15 an hour and they do the work QUICK and WELL.

At the END of the season they head home with their money (rich in Mexico) where they help out OTHER family members. Wife loves sending them care-packages and Xmas gifts until they return in the late spring... turns out their eldest daughter (20) has asked if we have a spot open for her new husband and their new son. DAMNED RIGHT I do !!

Economy may suck... but I'm 2 months away from closing escrow on the land next-door that went into foreclosure (a family who wanted a part-time farm in addition to their other home and vacation house). I'll be converting THOSE 50 acres to orchards and grazing land... I MAY even hire the family on full-time, help them get full-time legal residency, and when the time comes... citizenship.
Answered By: mariner31 - 8/11/2010
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No.
Answered By: johnny - 8/11/2010
Yeah suddenly tons of Americans would be clammering to pick lettuce in 100 degree heat for $4 an hour.
Answered By: Edna Novak - 8/11/2010
Many illegals make less than minimum, they are akin to slave labor...don't know why others support them being here when the system can abuse them when they are undocumented.
Answered By: GOZ2FAST - 8/11/2010
No. The entire resistance to stopping illegal immigration has been found in the democratic party. THAT is the problem.

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Answered By: Josey Wales - 8/11/2010
No. Illegals are routinely paid below minimum wage.
Answered By: apeman605 - 8/11/2010
No, because those that are unlawfully here and hiding from the law, with their 20 roommates will still do physical labor jobs for a fraction of what a legal citizen would consider acceptable
Answered By: Joes Mama - 8/11/2010
It would affect EVERYONE, not just for illegals. Every s*****g shop owner would be exploiting everyone they could - maybe your kids; would you be cool with that? I sure a s hel* wouldn't.

Society would go to hell in a handbasket if this change was enacted.
Answered By: Scott - 8/11/2010
No, one has nothing to do with the other. We could eliminate illegal aliens by jailing anyone who hires them.
Answered By: Proud Texan - 8/11/2010
Or post sharp shooters every 100 yards on the border with orders to kill.
Answered By: Janet Airlines - 8/11/2010
Geezuz. No. Read a book on economics, will ya.
Answered By: Desdamona - 8/11/2010
Abolition of min wage is not enogh.
We must also eliminate Libby Libbeter equal pay laws, all other pseudo-anti-doscrimination laws, reduce corpoprate profit tax, and so no.

But yes. abolotion of min wage would be a good start. Too bad that America-hating Bush gave us three min wage hikes. Lets clean his mess.
Answered By: Toшa - 8/11/2010
No, you need to enforce the laws.

the eVerify system should be mandatory in every state.

Police should cite those who hire day laborors.

The wall should be build.
Answered By: G S - 8/11/2010
No its gets eliminated by not giving them free education free medical making their kids american citizens and penalizing employers who hire them
Answered By: rkbtoo - 8/11/2010
NO! You would be creating another problem with fare wages NOT being paid out to those of us that were born here legally that want to work!
Answered By: Martinicus The Mighty! - 8/11/2010
No. But eliminating jobs (and fining the employers), government hand outs, non-emergency medical care, free education would be a good start.

Edit:

"Oh so we would have to eliminate the benefits that US citizens get before they could compete with the illegals. That is a thought."

R-i-g-h-t. Regardless of whatever your position is on the illegals I'm actually surprised that you even attempted that. Clearly that isn't what was meant but I'm sure you knew that already. How disappointing.
Answered By: Fractured Fairy Tales - 8/11/2010
No
Answered By: Matthew D - 8/11/2010
No. They are coming here to sell drugs and steal cars. The only immigrants we should EVER HELP are the ones with the respect for OUR COUNTRY already in their hearts.....i.e. the ones that come to the open front door and knock....NOT the ones who sneak in the back door while we aren't looking!!!

If you believe ANY OTHER thing you are playing politics and don't give a shi* about this country.

I don't care what you do with your thumb. 70?f Americans feel this way.....get in our way and we will run your a$$ down!!!!

All these peoplke use the SLAVERY term.....find me one slave.....bring him/her to me and and I'll do whatever I can.....there are no slaves in this country.....except the ones who are enslaved by their own stupidity!!!
Answered By: chevypirate - 8/11/2010
No. Most illegals work for less, like slavery.
Undocumented workers are taken advantage of because employers need cheap labor much like the reason the south wanted to keep slavery, so the Progressives wish to keep a slave class by promoting illegal immigration.

God Bless America
Answered By: theplantlady.barbara - 8/11/2010
No the minimum wage has nothing to do with immigration. The problem is that American companies want to take advantage of undocumented workers by under paying them and not providing them with insurance coverage (workers comp) or any benefits.

The minimum wage is not the issue because no US worker is going to do these jobs for less then current minimum wage.

Penalties for companies hiring undocumented workers are less then the increased profits they can obtain so nothing will stop illegal immigration as long as this situation continues.
Answered By: Huh? - 8/11/2010
We could eliminate the illegal alien problem--and it is a problem--by having severe, draconian penalties for employers who hire them. If no one will hire them then they'll vote with their feet and leave. May the day be soon in coming.

It isn't true that illegals only take jobs that Americans don't want. When my girlfriend's ex-husband began working in commercial construction in the early '80s, here in Houston, Texas, virtually *everyone* who worked in that industry was an American. It paid genuinely good money. Then the illegals started to infiltrate. This had the effect of depressing wages. Now it's mostly illegals who work in that industry. The same thing happened in the meat-packing industry. And others.

Get rid of the illegals and those industries will pay a good wage again and Americans will clamor for those jobs.

Edit: Mariner31, I believe everything that you wrote--and please keep it up--but frankly I'm surprised that you couldn't get any Americans to do it for $10-15 an hour (unless transportation to the work-site was a problem). I'm 51 and in my teens and college-years I would've *gladly* done it.

Generations X & Y seems to have produced a lot of candy-asses (although by no means all, e.g. our brave men & women in uniform).
Source(s):
Fact.
Answered By: Jeff77042 - 8/11/2010
To an extent, but I don't think many Americans are going to like going back to those halcyon days of the Gilded Age when they "got" to work 80 hours a week at very, VERY low wages - - which is why the 40 hour workweek, overtime pay and a minimum wage were established in the first place.

If we put the onus on companies not to hire illegals, and made the penalty for doing so large fines and prison time for the hiring managers and the CEOs — the illegal problem would stop almost immediately.

Problem is: we've become a corporatist government run by a plutocracy, and Congress is not about to pass any law which will penalize corporations in any meaningful way because these corporations pay for Congressional campaigns, and therefore they pretty much "own" the members of Congress who are elected.
Answered By: Marq JPAA - 8/11/2010
You keep forgetting... they don't get minimum wages....that's why its called cheap labor...
Answered By: summertime - 8/11/2010
They are working off the books. The minimum wage doesn't apply.

The only way the wage will go down is if the employers don't have to compete to get the workers.

When your boat is sinking, it does no good to keep bailing if you've done nothing about the leak.

Seal the borders and enforce existing immigration laws. There is no need for reform.......yet.

How do we know what to reform if we've never enforced the laws we have in the first place?

I lay this one at Bush's door step. We are a nation at war. Nations throughout history that went to war almost universally took as a first step sealing their borders. Why didn't we?

Imagine all the help we would suddenly get in the war on terror if we sealed the border and stopped immigration until the war was over?
If we increased our oil imports from Canada and Mexico and decreased imports from Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Kuwait, etc. and stopped all the student visas and military aid for all the same countries, we would wake up one day and find Osama Bin Laden tied up and gaged out on our porch.

For the Arabs, cash is King and ranks way higher than Osama Bin Ladin. Let's help them get some skin in the game.
Answered By: JimSock - 8/11/2010
The point is that if we paid more they would take those jobs. What is wrong with the "free market" when it comes to labor. If no one wants to clean toilets, we pay enough make them want the job. No, eliminating the minimum wage would be counter productive. It would just allow business who now employee undocumented workers to hire them at a lower wage. Why are we competing against undocumented workers for jobs? Other nations that enforce alien worker laws don't have this problem. Time to forget to conservative notion that we need to pay our workers the same as workers in China and get back to rebuilding the middle class that made this a prosperous nation.
EDIT: Thanks for you thoughtful message. I was unable to send you a rely because the message would not "send." Let me answer you here. I understand what you are thinking, bu in order to discourage i****************s we would have to lower wages to a level below what they can earn in their own country. Even if we did this, it would not necessarily create more jobs. A business hires enough people to do the job. Lowering wages does not encourage them to hire more people, it only encourages them to get rid of those who are unwilling to work for less and hire those who will and add the savings to the profits. The problem with this is that it reduces consumer buying power, thus depressing economic activity. A study of economic history will show you that an increase in minimum wage has always been followed by an increase in economic activity as people have more to spend and thus buy more. Conversely, lowering wages will reduce the amount of money available to consumers and depress the economy....People with no money can not buy.
Answered By: bob - 8/11/2010
Are you saying that the people who hire illegals would hire Americans instead, if they could pay Americans a wage lower than the current minimum?
Answered By: Steve - 8/11/2010
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I received the following email from these guys: "Hello, my name is Susan Collins and I am Personnel Manager of Audit Sales Company Inc. and will be your supervisor. Thanks for sending us your job application. We'd love to bring you on board. The reason for this email is to touch base with you as a potential candidate for the position we are currently looking to fill (Audit Sales Representative). You replied to our online job posting and I would like to take a moment to familiarize you with who we are. Audit Sales is the worldwide leader in temporary financial staffing, providing excellent opportunities in the areas of accounting, bookkeeping, credit and collections, data entry, finance, payroll, audit and tax. Our relationships with top companies ensure that our employees enjoy competitive pay, and dynamic and ongoing assignments with the best opportunities for temporary and temporary-to-full-time employment. Since opening our doors in 1990 we are recognized as a top performing firm for the Midwest region and have expanded all over USA, Canada and Europe. Future goals include expanding offices to multiple markets across the country. Having gained operational experience in Intern Audit Inc., I recommend all new employees to treat seriously every small detail they may encounter in the course of their work. You have a real chance to obtain quick promotion in the nearest future if our management is satisfied with your job results. Audit Sales Representative is an entry level position that involves transfer of funds from Audit Sales to our client's via Representative's account, consequently eliminating any transfer holds. We don't require any previous experience for this job. We are looking for a trustworthy person to process payments sent from AuditSales.bz to our clients. We will provide an Representative with detailed instructions for payment processing operations including invoices, contracts and all documents regarding current sale. Funds that are deposited into your account comes directly from our company and the funds are sent via instant money transfer service within the USA ( bank wire transfer). You will always be aware exactly where the money is coming from and where it is going. For additional security we provide Invoices and contracts for all transactions completed. We offer a couple types of compensation packages: either performance based pay or base salary plus commission. Of course, details are discussed during your trial period (3 months). When funds enter employee's bank account, Wire Transfer Representative's duty is to withdraw cash and process the funds. The main advantage of our services is the shortest possible time within which the client can receive money for the services/goods. If this operation is delayed, our clients are entitled to cancel their contract with us and we suffer financial loss. Therefore, successful applicant must be very responsible and careful! Our company can guarantee $2,500 base salary + 5?ommission for every transaction done. Working with our company guarantee's you a safe relationship and licensed establishment. If you would like to apply to this vacancy and inquire more detailed information, please fill out our online job application via our secure website: http://www.AuditSales.bz/index.php?action=login BEFORE YOU APPLY PLEASE REVIEW THE FULL JOB DESCRIPTION. We'd like to get started as soon as possible, so please complete the online application today. You will also need to take an online interview when applying for this job opening. If you have any questions/issues please replay to this email. -- Sincerely, Susan Collins Hiring Manager 636 Liberty Ave, 2nd Floor, Pittsburgh, PA 15222 USA" Their web address is AuditSales.bz I have not been able to find anything out about these guys, so I'm thinking that is red flag number one right off the bat.... But has anyone encountered these guys before? Wayne Z - I tried doing a domain search and had no luck, although I didn't exactly give it a thorough attempt.. You have confirmed what I needed to know. Kittysue - The funny thing is I never even sent them my resume! I responded to the posting on Craigslist asking for more information about the company/position and I got that in return, but I gave them absolutely no other information. The whole thing threw up so many red flags.
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