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Why do so many people believe socialism works?

At that rally last weekend I saw a bunch of signs for Socialism. It hasn't worked for countries that have it. Look at Greece and some of the European countries. They are going towards Capitalism. You now can buy your own insurance if you want same in Canada. So it boils down again to the fact that if you have money you can buy your needed insurance and the poor have long waits.
So why in the world would be want more Socialism. Why not improve on the system we have rather than dissolve it.

Asked By: My Baby! - 10/4/2010
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This is good question. Allow me to answer it as a socialist, not a capitalist.

Personally, I'm a very pessimistic Socialist. I don't think the "Communist" societies that have been created so far worked well.

I do believe that even in Stalin's Russia, at a huge cost in lives and liberty, the Communists did get a few things right

But Soviet-style socialism did fail in the end, it was guilty of the murder of millions of people, and it's not a possible model for how we should build a post-capitalist American economy in the future.

I'm also not very impressed by Chinese or Cuban-style communism as an alternative.


The Yugoslav Communists under Tito did briefly experiment with a form of "market based" socialism that I think had a lot of promise.

In the 1960s and the 1970s, when they were allied with the US against the Soviet Union in the Cold War, the Yugoslav communists attempted to combine "capitalist" consumer markets, with social ownership of the biggest economic enterprises, with a system of "workers management" of the factories and office buildings. And for a few years in the 1960s and 1970s, I think the Yugoslav model of "market socialism" worked fairly decently.

I might favor that kind of socialism here in the US, but only with a lot of extra tinkering to make it suitable for a democratic rather than dictatorial society.

But the main reason I call myself "socialist" is not because I love socialism so much. It's because I distrust and dislike American capitalism.

In the long run American capitalism is doomed for ecological reasons, in the first place. In the second place, it's going to wreck the lives of millions of people in the short run and half-destroy the planet until we finally create some replacement for it.

Capitalism as I personally have experienced it for the past 61 years also appears to require endless American wars in the Third World -- in Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, places that no sane American would ever choose to invade if not for economic considerations.

Capitalism American style also seems addicted to the repeated sending of US trooops to enforce a pro-corporate "order" in places like Lebanon, the Dominican Republic, Panama, Haiti and Somalia.

In my lifetime a basically capitalist US government has repeatedly authorized the CIA to overthrow democratically elected governments in places like Iran (1953), Guatemala (1954), the Congo (1960) and Chile (1973) -- mostly for the benefit of big capitalist corporations, such as the global oil companies.

American capitalism during my 61 years on the planet has even featured the US government sometimes lending military and economic aid to brutal dictators like Saddam Hussein (1984-1989) and ruthless terrorists like Osama bin Laden (the 1980s in Afghanistan.)

Meanwhile, of course, capitalism today seems to have been permanently captured by speculative financial investors on Wall Street, who came close to blowing up the world economy in 2008.

And today, even under the most "liberal" president in 40 years, the American economy is unable or unwilling to provide decently paying jobs for more than 13 million people who would like to be working, if anyone would agree to hire them.

So this is a bad system, I thin. It has little if any morality in terms of its foreign policies; it is no longer supporting the American people very well in terms of providing jobs and home, and in environmental terms it's engaged in ecological suicide on a planetaryl scale.

We therefore need a new system, whether that system is called "socialism" or something entirely different.

We don't need Russian "Communism" or Chinese or Cuban "Communism," I admit, since these might be even worse for some Americans than the bad system we already have. We may not need or want European style "socialism" either, because it also has some really bad problems.

I call myself "socialist" because I think some American socialists are at least looking for an alternative to this basically suicidal economy.

I cannot call myself "capitalist," because I don't think most American capitalists are even looking for other options, or aware that amu other options are necessary.
Answered By: Andy F - 10/4/2010
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Because Che Guevara was photogenic...

= So why in the world would be want more Socialism.

“Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it”

-- Thomas Sowell
Answered By: Міша - 10/4/2010
When messiah promised the sky, some weak souls went for it.
Answered By: Real Grit - 10/4/2010
Indoctrination
Answered By: Duke - 10/4/2010
Because they are taught that lie in school from Kindergarten on.
Answered By: Sooners Girl - 10/4/2010
Because people like the idea of getting something for doing nothing. It works for the poor people only temporarily but fails eventually. Remember that liberals don't listen to facts and logic.
Answered By: Does this look unsure to you? - 10/4/2010
Who are "all of these people"?
Answered By: brown9500v13 - 10/4/2010
Because their lazy minded and have probably just latched on to a mantra repeated by another lazy mind ...............Most who believe it seem to be hippies and school age kids .
Answered By: Michon - 10/4/2010
It does work.
North Korea is better than South Korea.
East Germany was better than West Germany.
USSR was better than USA.
China is better than Japan.
(sarcasm)
Answered By: Too logical for my own good - 10/4/2010
Well, it's working for Norway.
but when the oil runs out, they will be in trouble.
Answered By: wg0z - 10/4/2010
Most of the people who are for socialism are the ones that want others to have to support them. They do not want to work, but they want the ones that do work to be forced into paying their way for them.
Answered By: the cloned one - 10/4/2010
I believe in a mixed economy... and that has the highest levels of success... by almost any standard...

sometimes that means more socialism and sometimes that means less...

why do cons yell socialism at everything that moves yet most want at least some "socialist" programs?
Answered By: g - 10/4/2010
Because it has a good premise (remember how we teach little kids to share?) but people who truly support pure socialism do not take into account that greed does and will always cause socialism to fail
Answered By: Alex - 10/4/2010
The only people who "believe" socialism works are liberals.

America is getting ready to show them the door.
Answered By: Obama Isukin Mahweener - 10/4/2010
They believe it can work if " we just do it right".

problem is over 100yr's and 100,000,000 dead people later we still haven't gotten it right.
Answered By: casey - 10/4/2010
Not many people think that. It doesn't stop people from being socialists. I would venture to say that those holding socialist signs would be very unhappy if that were to become reality.

There is no one form of pure govt that works, including a purely capitalistic society.

They all look OK on paper, but when you factor in man, and the natural greed and corruption he brings to the table, it's all ends up being corrupt.
Answered By: maxmom - 10/4/2010
It cannot work very well because many countries around the socialist ones are Capitalist.If all countries around the world become socialists then we will live in a paradise.

Example : Cuba
Why is it poor? because of the US embargo
Answered By: Lol - 10/4/2010
We are far from socialist. Wild west style capitalism is not working well for us these days yet socialist China continues to rise. It's hard to find something in a store that's not made in a communist country these days. Maybe it's our system that's broke, of course the cons would never admit that. A mix of regulated capitalism and socialism works the best.
Answered By: L T - 10/4/2010
1. Lots of blacks feel inferior because they dont have the intelligence to compete. (no offense but its true)
So they want everyone to be equally miserable. Thats a large portion of the liberal base. They don't want life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness because they feel substandard.

2. Atheist dont know God. So their only belief is that the government will save them (even though they are the CAUSE of the problems)

3. The Democrats promise alot of freebies.

4. They promise to rob those Americans who earn a living and give it those who dont (even though they keep it for themselves)

etc. etc etc.
Answered By: Jason Jackson - 10/4/2010
Actuall it does work in theory, but in reality the human nature takes over, you end up with a lot of angry people.

Talking about insurance: Isn't that a socialist concept. Every one puts money into a bucket, and when someone needs it, they can use if from that bucket. To me insurance (including health, home, auto, etc.) are all socialistic concept. We have a premium we pay, I have paid my auto premium for years and years, in all I have paid enough to buy two avg. family sedans, but I have never ever claimed a penny. You ask, why? Because I have been a responsible driver, never had an accident, or any reason to clain any thing. Now, my neighbour, who has had two accidents in last 18 months, got the car fixed the first time and totalled it the next time, got his money's worth because he is in his early twenties and has hardly paid premium for more than a couple of years. To me people pay for these plans one way or another, govt. managed are paid in the form of taxes, privatly managed are paid in the form of premiums. Then you still have the ones who do not buy insurance and who pays for them... the govt. (each tax payer). Now tell me if this is not socialism?
Answered By: Apurva - 10/4/2010
Socialism does work in its pure form. In the same sense, Capitalism works well in its pure form. If everyone in the society believes in the same ideas then there is no controversy. The problem with socialism in countries where it has failed is because it is not socialism. The name is used when really they are running more of an oligarchy. The same shows why American capitalism is gradually failing. Human tendencies towards greed and other selfish acts by the few drive down the success of these political systems. In response, governments create laws to protect against the few that are wrecking the system.

The entire process is a never-ending cycle. The only way to create a system that prospers as expected would be to make every person in the society have the same ideologies. This is humanly impossible.

Individuals waiving those signs usually are ignorant about the topics. You are right that we should modify our current system; however, people should not jump to radical conclusions about our society when a small piece of legislation is passed.
Answered By: Charles Clark - 10/4/2010
The promise of (a minor child's) perpetual childhood. No responsibility, not even for yourself
Whining & throwing a fit ... beats working.
Soon enough they discover that their whining is drowned out by everyone else, and instead of having a minuscule voice, now they have none at all.
You never miss the water till the well runs dry.
Answered By: jim s - 10/4/2010
You say : "It hasn't worked for countries that have it."
They say, in a funny voice of course (pinch your nostrils while speaking if you must): "Well, that's not true socialism/communism."

My questions: "Well why wasn't it true socialism? Why didn't it work? Is it because human nature is against the artificial robot-like character that socialists portray humans to be? Why is it that humans are greedy and immoral and, to remedy this, it is necessary that 'un-greedy' and 'moral' humans are needed to control all aspects of their lives? Isn't it the very reason for the establishment of the politician because they had the will to control others? How can it be said that these positions, with the responsibilities in which socialists label them to have, IS moral?"

The reason why socialism never has and never will work, is because humans are humans. Socialism is the polar opposite of what a government should be: that is to protect the individual and their liberties, not to control what is his/hers.

To answer your initial question, I don't know why so many people believe that socialism works. To speculate: I think that as kids they thought that there should be no poor, no hungry, no evil; who didn't as a kid? But when they were told that it was impossible, they covered their ears and tried to get into politics to take from those who "have" in order to give to those, of whom they deem, "have not."

To try to keep from having poor, they try to redefine poor and accordingly the law, and just like a sore loser in a game of hide-and-seek they try to change the rules.
Answered By: That Old Guy - 10/4/2010
The people who want something for nothing believe in socialism of course. No risk involved for them which is indicative of the loss of the work ethic for many, but NOT ALL of us.
Answered By: colorado kid - 10/4/2010
Greece, nor any of the European countries have had socialism yet. They've all had capitalism with some social programs tied in. Canada, nope, that's capitalism too.
Answered By: jessi - 10/4/2010
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