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How many people here support the idea of The Venus Project?

The Venus Project presents a bold, new direction for humanity that entails nothing less than the total redesign of our culture. There are many people today who are concerned with the serious problems that face our modern society: unemployment, violent crime, replacement of humans by technology, over-population and a decline in the Earth's ecosystems.

As you will see, The Venus Project is dedicated to confronting all of these problems by actively engaging in the research, development, and application of workable solutions. Through the use of innovative approaches to social awareness, educational incentives, and the consistent application of the best that science and technology can offer directly to the social system, The Venus Project offers a comprehensive plan for social reclamation in which human beings, technology, and nature will be able to coexist in a long-term, sustainable state of dynamic equilibrium.

http://www.thevenusproject.com/

1. Realizing the declaration of the world's resources as being the common heritage of all people.

2. Transcending the artificial boundaries that currently and arbitrarily separate people.

3. Replacing money-based nationalistic economies with a resource-based world economy.

4. Assisting in stabilizing the world’s population through education and voluntary birth control.

5. Reclaiming and restoring the natural environment to the best of our ability.

6. Redesigning cities, transportation systems, agricultural industries, and industrial plants so that they are energy efficient, clean, and able to conveniently serve the needs of all people.

7. Gradually outgrowing corporate entities and governments, (local, national, or supra-national) as means of social management.

8. Sharing and applying new technologies for the benefit of all nations.

9. Developing and using clean renewable energy sources.

10. Manufacturing the highest quality products for the benefit of the world’s people.

11. Requiring environmental impact studies prior to construction of any mega projects.

12. Encouraging the widest range of creativity and incentive toward constructive endeavour.

13. Outgrowing nationalism, bigotry, and prejudice through education.

14. Eliminating elitism, technical or otherwise.

15. Arriving at methodologies by careful research rather than random opinions.

16. Enhancing communication in schools so that our language is relevant to the physical conditions of the world.

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Asked By: Last True Paladin of Scotland - 10/17/2010
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People that call The Venus Project a "utopia" or talk about "human nature" don't know what they are talking about. Watch this 15 minute video (in 3 parts) and then try to use arguments like "there is no such thing as utopia" and "it's against human nature":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5HNXNXUzz8

In the world of The Venus Project (TVP), there are no leaders or governments making decisions. We've tried that for thousands of years and history has shown shown humans are too fallible and that leadership always leads to corruption. The more power, the greater the temptation for corruption. If you don't understand how society can operate without leaders and governments, then you haven't learned enough about TVP.

TVP will not be forced on anyone. People don't need to get defensive about their love for the "stuff" they've amassed. People can stay in their current homes in constant need of repair, keep wasting their lives in traffic commuting to work meaningless jobs they hate, and collecting designed-to-fail material possessions that sit in their garages and closets. No one is going to come kick down your door and take your stuff.

The TVP transition idea is that efficient and intelligently designed cities will be built with the most advanced technologies and materials available, and our most current understandings. People can choose to come live a new stress-free life where everyone treats each other and their surroundings with respect, or they can stay in the old cities. Try the new TVP cities and don't like them, I doubt it, but feel free to go back to the old cities if you like. No one is forcing anything on anyone. The idea is that once people see TVP cities operating at such high levels of efficiency and abundance and personal happiness that they will grow and grow in popularity. Everyone is welcome to join, unlike our current countries trying to keep everyone else out. TVP is a whole new world of personal freedom that most people today can't even imagine.

Nothing like TVP has ever been attempted before. Read that Wiki link about the "Road to Serfdom" book. It begins:

<quote>The Road to Serfdom is a book written by the Austrian-born economist and philosopher Friedrich von Hayek between 1940–1943, in which he "warned of the danger of tyranny that inevitably results from government control of economic decision-making through central planning," and in which he argues that the abandonment of individualism, liberalism, and freedom inevitably leads to socialist or fascist oppression and tyranny and the serfdom of the individual.</quote>

That doesn't describe TVP at all. In fact, it quite closely resembles the path with world is on with our current governments "stimulus spending" and "bail-outs of corporations that are too big to fail", meanwhile taking away people's rights and freedoms in the name of the constant "War on Terror" (going on 10 years now, do you feel safer?).

Implications trying to associate TVP with eugenics is fear-mongering. No supporters of TVP would ever agree to eugenics and such practices are certainly not needed.

Certainly the rich and powerful will not sit back and let the world transition to a resource based economy like TVP. They would certainly lose control and would become regular people, just like the rest of us. Thankfully, we've got the numbers on our side. Less than 15 of the world's population is them, and the rest is us. As soon as we get tired of playing the rat-race game they created for us, we can shape the world however we want.

Of course, the hard part is getting the word out there and opening people's minds. At this stage, there is enormous resistance. Everyone complains about their lives and society and governments and the tragedies around the world, yet as soon as people start talking about changing the world for the good of everyone, they dig their heels in and stand-tall for that same system they will continue to complain endlessly about.
Answered By: bkyle - 10/17/2010
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Obama will NEVER go for that...
Answered By: ellisdee - 10/17/2010
Utopian = won't work.
Sorry bout that, but it's been proven far too often.
Communism was the last big one to be tried, and look how that worked out.
Have you given no thought at all to how draconian and intrusive
a government would be required, or who should set the details
of the policies that would need to be implimented.
I wouldn't trust any politician, or group of them that far.
Answered By: Irv S - 10/17/2010
It all sounds lovely and not gonna happen. Sorry.
Answered By: DebbieP - 10/17/2010
...and what dictator do you suggest leads this "Venus Project...?"

...and what if I disagree with the ideas that are forced on me with this "Venus Project...? How do I regain my freedom and Independence?
Answered By: prancinglion - 10/17/2010
Not enough to make it work.

There is too many people that evil and won't let this happen.
Answered By: Max50 - 10/17/2010
17. Totally eliminating personal freedom.

Been attempted many times and fails.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Road_to_Serfdom
Answered By: Joe Friday - 10/17/2010
Sooooo, you are all about Eugenics I see.
Answered By: Jack - 10/17/2010
I support the concept, but given the facts that International bankers were behind every major war in the 20th century, do you think they would sit idly by whilst watching a moneyless society blossom?

In theory, it could work but in order for something like this to properly function you either need worldwide cooperation or a large enough land mass with enough resources to be independent.

Moreover, most people in the world are enslaved by the system and can't conceive of a life without American Idol, McDonald's takeaways, and mall outings. These people will be the first to rise to action to defend this facade they call a democracy and the architects of this illusory world, just like Morpheus states in the Matrix, "You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.

Finally, the Venus Project is extremely vague in terms of the actual socio-political aspects of running such a society and and elucidating the mechanisms by which it would implement them. Obviously technocracy is not realistic at this juncture to fully handle the running of everyday life, however, with more innovation this could be achieved in the near future. That being said however, it's a good concept and a start, and it's up to the positive people (obviously not the naysayers and the pessimists who tell you that changing a lightbulb is impossible without the right tools) to develop the concept further, politically, socially, economically and technologically.

Anyway, it's good to know there are like-minded folks out there who dare to think of the impossible and envision a better future for all of mankind.
Answered By: Fringe Sane Observer - 10/17/2010
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