Well you already paid for your mate David and Nick to go so why not them?
Answered By: NooNoo - 12/8/2010 |
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Maybe if you had gone to University you would not be cleaning toilets for a living.
I didn't get good A Levels - I worked, and THEN went to University as a mature student. Yes I had fun but I also worked, worked, worked. They don't hand out degrees just for turning up. You do actually have to study.
Answered By: Jude - 12/8/2010 |
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Sounds like your jealous of that fact people earn more then you. How would we have doctors etc if we did not pay for them to go through university. Those people who go to Uni pay their way in life after by paying more tax and NI then you do. You can not begrudge people who are brighter then you and have more ambition then to do a menial job. Everyone can do better for themself, it just depends on how you apply yourself and you work ethic. Nothing is stopping you for going for a better job. I know pleanty of people in well paid jobs who are not particularly bright.
Answered By: **Mercy** - 12/8/2010 |
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Never been to the United Kingdom.Are you referring to the vomit all over the bathrooms after the binges.Take turns at the place with each others job.
Answered By: Kenneth Houdek - 12/8/2010 |
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Who paid for you to go on to do your A - Levels??? Actually School in the first place???
Have you ever had to go to the Doctors??? Hospital??? or Dentist???
Have you ever had to call the Police or Fire Brigade???
Does my head in all this, its the way the world works, get over it!
God help if your children want to go to uni, why should i or my children pay for them to do so - Get a grip!
Answered By: Paul - 12/8/2010 |
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A drinking binge? It is perfectly possible to have fun, go out, get p****d, do silly things while still work hard, go on to become a doctor, an architect etc...
Answered By: Cool Ocean Breeze - 12/8/2010 |
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You might be glad that you did invest in somebody having a university degree if you need a triple heart bypass in the future - you would want somebody who is trained. Or if you have children when they go to school you would want their teacher to have been to university. Or when you retire you will want wealth creators to pay for your pension.....
As society benefits from students going to university society has a responsibility to assist them with their education.
Look at the facts, it could cost more than £40,000 to go through university, how many potential doctors could be put off, how many teachers, how many wealth creator, innovators, scientists etc etc.
As for your final comment that most people with a degree earn 3 or 4 times what you do - but they pay almost 8 times as much as you in tax and NI. On a full time min wage job the deductions are £1,640pa. Somebody earning 4 times min wage deductions would be £12,460.
In addition if you have a family you would be entitled to family and working tax credits and family allowance - somebody earning 4 times as much as you wouldn't.
So a graduate may ask why should they not only pay tax to fund a minimum wage workers family and working tax credits and child benefits that they wont get themselves in addition to paying back over £40k.
As somebody who has done a degree - one that I funded through the OU I can assure you it is not as easy as it sounds, many students work part time during term time, in addition to working full time during the holidays.
EDIT - So 75?f doctors are UK trained, well society benefits from them.
The comment I made about a graduate (after paying for it via the OU), paying more tax and getting less back in return is highlighting that they do pay for their education in other ways. I am that person - well was before redundancy, and I can assure you I am not an all right Jack Tory, I pay higher rate of tax, I do not object to paying my fair share, I dont object to working or family tax credits because I believe it is the right thing to do in addition I also donate to children's charities in the UK and abroad to assist in giving others the opportunities that were denied to me when I was a child. I have never voted tory and cannot foresee that ever changing.
Answered By: Confused Hal - 12/8/2010 |
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Hey if you want to keep your minimum wage cleaning toilets I would stay quiet if i were you , there are many inteligent younger healthier men who are willing to work a lot harder than you are and clean more toilets per hour , if they cant get a place in uni they might want your glamerous job
shame your parents couldentt afford private tuition , or even a private school that would of helped you pass your A levels
Answered By: kerry anne - 12/8/2010 |
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G'day !7pdr,
Thank you for your question.
You make some good points although most students do work hard. The UK should look at a Higher Education Contribution Scheme similar to the one introduced by the Hawke Labor Government in Australia in the 1980s. Under this scheme, students have to pay back the cost of their education through higher taxes.
Regards
Answered By: Keith O - 12/8/2010 |
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If everybody thought that way - there wouldn't be much of a civilisation in the country - actually come to think of it - it looks like they do and the baby boomer generation is pulling the ladder up after themselves.
Your taxes pay for a lot of other things too you know.
Answered By: Lorne - 12/8/2010 |
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Not all uni students are gifted,some work very hard to get there.you could still have gone to uni as a mature student.i dont understand your argument surely you want your kids to have the best oppitunities in life and the way forward is education.
Answered By: lavender - 12/8/2010 |
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Why do people like who have no knowledge of the subjects ask such ridiculous questions! Do a bit of research before you come on here attacking everyone.
How many things do you think taxes go on?? Have you ever had NHS treatment? Did you not get a free education? Trying to say that your taxes go straight out of your pocket and into a students is unture and ignorant. And if you pay attention at all to your kid's student loan allowances you will relaise that the amount student's get is just enough to pay rent on their shared houses, buy food, pay bills and pay course costs like books and equipment. The money that they use for all this drinking comes from either part-time jobs or their parents - this was true of all the hundreds of people I went to uni with, so why you think your two are different I don't know!
And if they are having a three-year drinking binge then you should be ashamed at the way you rasied them, and they will not get very far! No wonder one of them dropped out if that's all they wee doing there! Uni is hard work, lots of studying and pressure, so the odd night out where you go mad is allowed. Oh, and if these people you know are earning way more than you from being at uni, it doesn't take a genius to work out that they will be paying a hell of a lot more tax than you over the lifetimes - do you hear them whinging about the meagre amount you're getting away with?!
Answered By: JL - 12/8/2010 |
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Exactly ! When education was dumbed down and local "techs" were given University status all it did was to encourage the folks to go to "uni" to study Micky Mouse degrees which would give them no hope of a job afterwards just so they could live it up and be kept off the unemployment figures. In these hard times any sensible, hard working student would be quite capable of getting through Uni and coming out at the end with not a huge debt. This change to Uni fees will sort out the wheat from the chaff and only the ones who are really dedicated and deserving will go to Uni. Oh and also the three year courses could easily be condensed into two as students only spend half the week in lectures....that would save loads of money.We only have to watch the student riots on TV to see SOME of the kind that go to Uni. At the end of the day Labour left this country in a big mess and this is one of the ways of putting things right, students like everyone else must take their share of the pain.The trouble is, the young today expect it all.I await the thumbs down for this answer...
Answered By: little weed - 12/8/2010 |
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We all contribute to a larger society, that's how it works. That's why you or any of your family can get free health-care for instance. The proposed legislation will prevent any hope of further education for children from less well-off backgrounds so they may as well give up trying at school right now because in effect they are being committed to a lifetime of toilet cleaning and other menial work with no realistic chance of escape. All of those children's fates are being decided today in a rushed and cobbled together bill that the government has only allotted five hours to debate. Legislation if this magnitude is usually debated in parliament and committee for about one hundred and seventy hours. Does that not strike you as odd? Why are the government deliberately stifling the debate. Could it be because the Lib Dems are quaking in their boots because their support for the bill is extremely shaky as it flies in the face of the promises that they were making directly to students before the election.
Answered By: patch - 12/8/2010 |
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Q...why is my hard earned Tax money paying for illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan where millions of innocent civilians have been slaughtered, made widows/widowers, made homeless or lost limbs......the future of any Country is only based on its children if we deny them education we deny ourseles any future. There are 23 millionaires in the Tory Party who got FREE Uni Education....yet they want to deny it to others .......
Source(s):
Fr Ted told me over a pint in Mulligans
Answered By: garyindiana - 12/8/2010 |
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Life is full of injustices. Your taxes go for students to get an education. They also go to pay teachers, nurses, binmen and people who mend your roads. Unfortunately, they also go to buy big useless missiles and bail out big useless banks. Write to your big useless MP if you have any complaints.
Answered By: Tas - 12/8/2010 |
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Yes a lot of students are useless wankers but a lot of them also work d**n hard at weekends and nights to pay for their education, i don't like paying tax as much as the next man/woman i won't even work overtime on the clock as i can't afford the calories expenditure so i take the basic rate for my job. You can try and get inside the heads of everyone else but it's pointless, life is a never ending apprenticeship we're continually learning all the time and it took me 20 years of self loathing and bitterness to figure that out from when i left school at 16. A buggered knee stomach like a sieve and scars all over my body i would swap that in an instant to get the chance to get drunk on a few pints and stick a cone on my head. Wouldn't you?
Answered By: lecherous lecturer - 12/8/2010 |
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Enrol at an evening college instead of wasting time on here, then you can find a better job. God helps those who help themselves, no I am not telling you to steal, just telling you how to improve your lot.
shevek_v Puts it better, he deserves best answer.
Answered By: Dial - 12/8/2010 |
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