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How long does the global warming movement have left?

I'd say a couple more record breaking winters perhaps ice in the Hudson or Thames and sadly the dream of the balmy weather and CO2 Tax will be over! The satellites will finally be recalibrated properly, the errors removed, computer models updated and we move on!

Asked By: Richie - AGW Skeptic - 12/23/2010
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Not too much longer I think. They keep telling people to ignore their own experience. That doesn't ever work for long. (At a minimum people all over Europe and North America, Australia and Asia, have figured out over the last few years that warmer is a lot nicer than cooler.

That and Dana has been all but absent from this forum. Which may mean he got a real job, or perhaps he's a little embarassed by the difference between his predictions and the results.
Answered By: Peter J - 12/23/2010
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Worries me actually, just because the truth is out doesn't mean they're going to change their minds, they've got too much invested and many mouths to feed!
Answered By: martin - 12/24/2010
It's over. Why do you think Al Gore is in hiding.
Answered By: BamaAndy - 12/23/2010
For those whom it has become their religion, It will never be over.

Remember GW had to be changed to Climate Change because Activists being interviewed in snow storms warning of the planets demise due to a heat wave lost total credibility.

If there is no GW then universities and professors across the nation and around the world would no longer get their Government grants to study it. Every University and College in America has a department that receives gov funding to study it and Professors have made careers on that money.

Do you think these people are going to discover that GW is a hoax to empower Gov. and lose their cushy well paid jobs?
I think not. We have already seen the evidence of their conspiracy to falsify the data in the wikileak style email dump a year ago.
It is very much in their interest to keep the myth going. Anyone of their colleagues who disagrees will be pounded by the rest.

This is not the first time Gov. has used this end of the world scenario to control the people and maintain power, "Give us your wealth and power over your lives or the world will end". The Central American Indian Rulers, Maya and Aztecs, used it to hold reign over the people for 500 years.

Here is a point, it is 30 degrees here right now. However is that 30.2 degrees 30.5 degrees or 30.8 degrees? You can not tell can you and neither can most temperature measuring instruments before 1950 but that 7 tenths difference is the amount of increase everyone is talking about. 7 tenths of a degree over the last 100 years. That 7 tenths of a degree is about to destroy life on earth. That is unless you give Gov your money and power over your life. Then and only then will you be saved.
Even the measuring is in complete question, incomplete spotty data taken with questionable instruments over one hundred years added to tree rings. That is where the temperatures used to determine the data come from, and we already know now for sure professors have been fudging these numbers to prove GW.

Al Gore set up a Bank and Exchange, much like the stock exchange, to trade carbon credits around the world. If he can get GW off the ground and carbon credits started he will become a multi billionaire. You as a result will become much poorer.
Answered By: Gone Rogue - 12/23/2010
As far as im concerned, the 'movement', if you even wanna call it that ended with the email hoax a while back, its just a scheme.
Answered By: Kia S - 12/23/2010
"How long does the global warming denial movement have left?"

Probably several years.
It's clear that there's a problem. eg:

http://www.mherrera.org/temp.htm <== This is from Trevor:

During 2010 there have been 367 temperature records, both high and low, set.
Of the 367 temperature records in 2010,
16 have been low temp records, and
351 have been high temp records.

There are those on both sides who just make stuff up.
Or repeat things that are just ridiculous, like "The planet's going to burn up". Or, "freeze".
What is interesting is how often specific lines (burn/freeze) are repeated, and by whom.
When we point out that the planet is not going to burn up, we don't see the same people repeating that line every day.
When we point out that the planet is not going to freeze, we DO see that line repeated day-after-day.
That's a significant difference.
Some folks seem to learn.
Some folks seem unable to do so.
Where do you fall in that spectrum?
Answered By: linlyons - 12/23/2010
It's hard to say. If we look at the Ethanol boon-doggle as an example of science gone rogue, it could be a while before the AGW feeding trough is left empty.

We have known for years that corn ethanol is more toxic/polluting than regular gasoline, but special interests have managed to keep the taxpayer subsidies rolling in along with government mandates that we use even more of the stuff in our gas tanks.

It's absolutely crazy..... all this whining about saving the planet but no major movement to demand that we stop paying our tax dollars to subsidize an industry that is poisoning us.

Why don't scientists clamor on about that...... not enough grant money for that cause..... or too embarrassed to admit that they screwed up...... again??!!
Answered By: BB - 12/23/2010
Warming will continue because we continue to add CO2. So I guess people will continue to notice it. The weather changes (not only warming, some places even colder, more rain or more drought depending on where you are on the globe) have become very noticeable this year. 20 nations have had all-time record-breaking heat this year.

So no matter how much hot air you put out denying global warming, it isn't going to go away. Darn it.
Answered By: Barley - 12/23/2010
Lets say global warm from CO2 emissions is real. It seems to me that the global warming message has not been put out there very well. Part of the problem is those of us who where around when this thing gained awareness in the early 1990's. You were lead to believe that by now the US Canada border would be seeing no snow anymore, or by 2020 which is not that far away now. This and other predictions did not come to pass, so many now are just indifferent about the whole thing. Like "yeah yeah they said this all before." People got to extreme in the predictions, many others in the global warming movement didn't say "hey let's not get to over board with this" they just let is go on. Probably because at the time it helped work people up into a frenzy over the whole thing and gave more awareness to it, so others in the movement didn't care about the dire predictions. but then it back fired because time passed and no new real disasters are seen out people windows. I know here at home it is just weather as usual. Trees are alive and such. No burn up.

Yes a lot of people believe in global warming, but also many have just become indifferent about where it was suppose to be going.
Answered By: Tony R - 12/23/2010
Hopefully the schemers will be up on charges for massive fraud . The Movement is as reliable as the 2012 people .
Answered By: MIKE L - 12/23/2010
When you have sheeple like what is on YA, it is going to take 5000 feet of ice in Chicago to maybe change their warped minds
Answered By: jerry - 12/23/2010
The flaw in this posters thesis leaves out the most important part of the equation. Every year the CO2 level ticks up several parts per million. The latest count hit 400ppm. That's actual data. In the last 50,000 years its never been above 300ppm. 10,000 years ago when agriculture began in earnest the CO2 level stood at 286ppm. At that level It was warm enough and the climate stable enough for agriculturally based civilization to begin...which it did in all areas between 40 degrees North and 40 degrees South. The CO2 level stayed stable until the beginning of the Industrial Age..about the 1830s. At that point the use of coal in large quantities became the fuel of choice. Also at this time huge areas of land began to be cleared of trees. By the beginning of the 20th century oil and coal were in use. The CO2 level began to climb even as more land was cleared of trees. Science tells us that the more CO2 there is in our paper thin atmosphere the less heat energy will be transferred from the Earth into space in any given 24 hour period. Currently climate at all levels is attempting to stabilize this increase in temperature. As slight as it is it's enough to melt a lot of ice and tundra and to cause gyrations in the jet stream that tends to bring down cold from the artic....hence more cold in England and Europe. Meanwhile, on the southern side of the jet stream more heat and moisture from the tropics is noted...as in the American southwest currently. Currently we add 12 to 15 ppm of CO2 to the atmosphere every decade....at 450 parts per million our atmosphere will be roiling causing extremes of cold and hot everywhere and much shorter winters and much longer summers...events that are already happening. Even the Bush administration admitted to climate change...so the question is...what are these remaining deniers attempting to prove and why?
Answered By: Noah H - 12/23/2010
Depends.

If the Arctic sea ice collapse is mostly to blame for the cold recent winters in the populated areas of the NH, or if it's low solar activity and the Sun stays at its lowest activity in at least a century, then we will probably see a decline in popular global warming concern over the next 5-10 years.


However, scientists work with data, not with public opinion, so the science will continue to strengthen. Given another ~10 years and nothing drastic like an asteroid strike or series of major volcanic eruptions, we'll see lots more changes thanks to global warming above and beyond noise and global warming concern amongst the public will return.




If we get milder winters in populated areas again, then I expect the concern will level off and strengthen again sometime later in the decade as we get more drastic events like we saw this year: like the coral bleaching, record low summer Arctic sea ice volume (now down 75? Russian heatwaves or the heatwaves in Pakistan, Burma, Colombia, Sudan, S Arabia and 12 other countries, Israeli forest fires, record high sea level, major ice loss etc.
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