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Will socialism ever work? Why?

Asked By: Scott - 12/24/2010
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From a purely socialistic perspective, socialism is the logical (and, arguably, necessary) next step in human history, economically and in terms of effective governance. Capitalism is, to generalize, the pursuit and accumulation of capital (or essentially profits). I would further argue that it is merely the current evolutionary stage in Man's economic, social, and political development. Developing from the core ideals of feudalism, capitalism expands its scope to encompass ever-greater masses of potential labor, through which it may begin the process of securing its means of production, and the human labor necessary to work with said means of production. The capitalist then (according to Marx) enters into a "contract" with each wage-laborer, essentially promising the necessary means of subsistence in exchange for the laborer's physical energy, or working ability. If agreed upon, the worker enters under the purview of his/her employer (or to go by Marx's term, the capitalist), and proceeds to expend the needed labor-power in order to produce whatever particular goods/services required. In return, the capitalist pays the worker. However, remember what I pointed out above: capitalism's primary goal is the accumulation of capital (profits). This said, the capitalist is posed with the dilemma of either paying the worker for his/her services (plus, in today's world, possible benefits, etc.), or possibly a) cutting wages, or b) shortening the overall length of the *paid* work day, but extending the rest - therefore causing the worker to be paid for but a specific length of time yet continuing to work for the rest of the hours required. Or, as Marx has illustrated: A----B (the length from point A to point B represent the amount of hours paid) to B-------C (the amount of time from point B to point C representing the amount of hours - or labor - not paid). Thus, the capitalist is able to pay his/her workers yet still is able to accumulate the necessary amount of capital (profits) needed to continue the operation all over again.

Granted, this is a rather antiquated concept (contained in Marx's "Capital"), however I believe the principles enshrined in it ring true. If not directly similar, it is relatable, as seen in today's economic world/climate. Furthermore, the concept furthers Marx's main point: the sole purpose - and reason for existence - of Capitalism is, generally, the pursuit and accumulation of profit through exploitative measures/means. We see this in the horrid working conditions (sweatshops) of Asia, as well as S. America, where transnational corporations and industries move jobs away and relocate them in countries where labor is easily exploited, and labor/environmental conditions,laws, and regulations are all but nonexistent. If we are to follow Marx's key theory, such exploitation will inevitably lead to revolt on the behalf of the workers living under said horrid conditions, wherein they will overthrow their oppressors, seize the means of production and distribution, and bring in a new era of workers' cooperation, egalitarianism, and democracy - all for the good of the collective. Such revolts have been seen in Russia, Germany, France, G. Britain, China, Cuba, and all throughout the world. However, as I have noted above, these movements were not lead by the broad majority; instead they relied on the goodwill and vigor of a revolutionary vanguard party (Leninism), which, historically, has been proven to fail due to corruption, centralism, and authoritarianism. Certainly other commonalities are to be seen as well, mainly the lack of agricultural, industrial, economic, and political development within said nations. But I digress, and I have already explained these reasons above. Socialism, as the next step in economic and political development, requires a strong industrial base, a sound democratic foundation, and a working class conscious and aware of its plight and needs. Without these necessities, any movement will struggle (more so than should be necessary). Socialism can work, and function in a manner that is efficient, effective, democratic, and stable. It is merely the transition from capitalism to a more collective, egalitarian society; one which focuses on the needs of the majority, as opposed to the wants and demands of a privileged few. I would emphasize that Socialism requires Democracy in order to function in a healthy and transparent manner. To do otherwise would be to invite corruption and stagnation. Is it in any way a Utopian dream? No, not by any means. Democratic Socialism, founded upon the needs of the majority, is our best bet - I think. This is all my own personal opinion, coupled with what I have taken away from my readings of Marx and Engels. There are those who would argue that the necessary next step after Socialism is Communism; this may well be - for some. I personally do not see the need to go beyond it. However, again, this is just me.
Answered By: Le Socialiste - 12/24/2010
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Social Democracies work great. Pure socialism, like pure unrestricted capitalism...do not work.
Answered By: Lamplighter - 12/24/2010
Everything in moderation.
Answered By: I'm out to get you - 12/24/2010
No. Because people will never work as hard for the benefit of strangers as they will for themselves and their families.
Answered By: J P - 12/24/2010
In small does it can work for a little bit but let us not forget the hippie communes in the 60's they all left out of fear of starvation

@i'm out to get you you are a coward who fears intelligent conversation to block someone instead of hearing a rebuttal is low if that is going to be your typical liberal attitude then disconnect the E-mail part of your account
Answered By: thumbs down for the truth - 12/24/2010
As long as you have the parasite/host scenario, it'll never work.
Answered By: Barn Owl - 12/24/2010
Democratic Socialism has had a pretty successful history in Europe, especially in Scandinavia where they enjoy the highest standards of living in the world. They have mixed economies not pure socialsim, terrific health care and social services, top notch educational systems and free university education, beautiful, clean cities and their citizenry is the happiest in the world in every survey.
Answered By: ColleenIsBack - 12/24/2010
Depends on your definition of socialism. What a Conservative American calls Socialism won't be what a member of the Labour Party in the UK calls socialism. If you are indeed a Conservative American then you may well find most of Europe to be socialist, and therefore it is indeed working, has been for many decades. If your more like a Labour Party member, then who knows. Its up to the people who implement it as for whether it will work or not.
Answered By: Jebediah - 12/24/2010
It's this simple. As long as you have enough ?f society feel it earns a hand out and constantly votes that way, the rest of us has to pay for it. What makes a society strong.......a minuscule amount of needy, or a consistently high ?f needy? Ask a liberal politician which side creates a stronger sense of their own job security?

C'mon thumb downers.....click away, We know which side of the food chain you choose to be in.
Answered By: Spoiler - 12/24/2010
Joe miller got socialist medicaid
Answered By: scottso360 - 12/24/2010
It hasn't so far, and it never will unless humans become more like ants. Individuality and socialism does not mix. However, a mixed capitalist/socialist society works quite well.
Answered By: Hypnose Lancome - 12/24/2010
Socialism as it is practiced by Democrats in America will never work. This is why our economy is collapsing. Too many people rely on the working taxpayers for their own sustenance.

"The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money." - Margaret Thatcher
Answered By: Ben Dover - 12/24/2010
Socialism is contrary to human nature so it will never work as long as humans are the ones who are providing the labor for the production of goods and services. However, I personally foresee a time in the future when nearly everything is produced by machines and robots. At that point, socialism could work, if controlled properly. Perhaps another 50-100 years must elapse until it is possible, in my opinion.
Answered By: thomas f - 12/24/2010
Sure. It isn't a light switch. It has worked pretty well here, particularly in the early part of the 20th century.
Answered By: Heavy_Cavalry_Sgt - 12/24/2010
No. Socialism calls for an expansion of land to grow and succeed. There is no such thing as true socialism because nobody can stop a hierarchy from implementing the socialism in the first place. And once it is implemented, corruption takes over, worse than capitalism without any regulations. It is a "peoples" party, but only when those people are cool with having a low life, with no benefits. Socialism on paper works amazing! If you read Marx's work...truly brilliant mind, but he was in a fantasy land where he thought everyone could be happy under it. It allows people to not have any work ethic whatsoever. It will never work.
and for Foremost authority....who the F*** wants to live in Denmark or Sweden?
Answered By: TraeB0 - 12/24/2010
No, never.

The definition of socialism is collective ownership of the means of production. Nationalized industries.

Now imagine for a moment that you own a factory. You made a major investment, and you devoted significant time to building it and building up your business. You are successful and making a good living for yourself and your workers. You feel like you're treating your workers fairly.

Then along comes the government and demands that you hand over the keys to your factory. The government owns that now.

Do you see any conflict possibly arising at that moment?

That's why socialism can never work. Either the government has to pay for THE ENTIRE MANUFACTURING SECTOR which in prohibitively expensive, or the governmetn CONFISCATES THEN ENTIRE MANUFACTURING SECTOR which will cause war.

There is no feasible transition from the present into socialism without bloodshed and massive loss of life.
Answered By: gws35 - 12/24/2010
Socialism is a disease of capitalism. The socialist come to the door when capitalism has created enough wealth for them to convince the people we need to rob them. When capitalism has a slump or a down turn you see the results of the cradle to grave socialist like Greece, France etc. rioting in the streets for more money. In essence it can't ever work because the Golden Goose of Capitalism gets tired every one in a while.
Answered By: JC Nickel - 12/24/2010
Ask yourself why the social democracies, like Denmark and Sweden, have the happiest people on earth as their citizens.
Answered By: Foremost authority - 12/24/2010
Please note that BOTH
the Donkey & Elephant feed from the same trough!

THINK ABOUT IT ... the whole political spectrum has been
warped to benefit the professional lairs that masquerade as "Public Servants"
Answered By: Menard K - 12/24/2010
So long as there is even a single human on this planet who is a tiny bit more ambitious that the rest of the humans, socialism will not work. That ambitious human will soon be allowing his neighbors to pay him for goods and services that they themselves could possibly provide for themselves but have chosen not to do so.
In time, that system will move through the various politico-economic systems from anarchy to feudalism to monarchies to socialism to capitalism.
All systems except for monarchies and capitalism have failed. IDK why the monarchy has survived but the politico-economic system of republic/capitalism survives because it produces goods and services at a lower cost for a greater number of people.
Answered By: Chronos - 12/24/2010
The people who are shouting about how it'll never work and how individuals shouldn't have to contribute to the benefit of strangers are surely demonstrating what an individualistic society America is. Socialism, or at least partially socialist systems, work just fine in more collectivistic cultures. For socialism to fully be instituted in the United States, our society has to undergo a period of re-socialization (as in the psychological sense, not as in socialism itself).

Edit: I see some folks here don't understand that socialism is not communism.
Answered By: Jay - 12/24/2010
Democratic socialism will work, and it will work better than the system we have now.

The problem with socialism in the past is that they were all based on "one-party rule" or leaders who ruled by force and not by democratic vote.

The key factor in creating a successful socialist state is to have a free and open society, where information, speech, and religious tolerance is all free.

PS, Einstein also believed it works, and from what I have read, he was a pretty smart guy.
Answered By: Les S - 12/24/2010
Nobody has suggested 'socialism'.....which by definition means that the state owns the means of production and distribution. What the question today is....can 'corporate capitalism' work in a way that insures that willing workers are paid a fair wage for their labor, receive fair benefits as a portion of their wages and are assured of a decent retirement in their old age. At this point corporate capitalism appears to have diminished the American middle class while enhancing the middle class of China, a 'socialist' country....how long that will go on is also a question. If 'capital' decides to move on to Africa as it chases low wages and no environmental laws China could just as easily be abandoned. If this is the trend, which it is, it seems fair to ask if corporate capitalism will 'work' in the United States or are American workers simply doomed to be ignored by the politics and policies of the emerging 'conservatives' who appear to put the well being of these trans national corporations ahead of the American wage earner. At the rate that bigger corporations are buying up smaller corporations to increase market share the end game here is that in time the world will be totally run on the basis of what's the greatest good for the smallest number......a situation no different from when the world was owned and operated by royalty and aristocracy and where most of the world's population were reduced to serfs, peons, peasants and coolies. The point here is that because one closed system is objectively 'bad' for general prosperity, it doesn't follow that another system is generally 'good' for general prosperity. Any system that doesn't generate the 'greatest good for the greatest number' is a flawed system. This is why public policy should strive to make certain that a large and robust 'middle class' exists...short of that no 'system' is really working.
Source(s):
Former history professor at a pretty good university.
Answered By: Noah H - 12/24/2010
Of course it will

Democratic Socialism is the future.

A government where the laborer controls the production, and not the rich, so that wages are not unjustly released by big cat investors.

Socialism is the future, only a matter of time.
Answered By: Chris Dennison - 12/24/2010
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