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The following issues raise red flags as to the integrity of the dinosaur industry and cast doubts as to whether dinosaurs ever existed.

1. Nature of dinosaur discoveries - only within the last 150 years and in huge unusual concentrated quantities going against the laws of nature and probability.

2. Nature of dinosaur discoverers and excavators - not by (initially) disinterested parties. When discovered by parties without a vested interest, they need to be told by dinosaur experts that they are dinosaur bones.

3. Nature of public display preparation - integrity and source of fossils - possible tampering and bone substitution and possible fraudulent activities on a massive scale.

4. Existing artistic drawings and public exhibits showing off-balance and awkward postures that basic physics would rule out as being possible.

5. Very low odds of all these dinosaur bones being fossilized but not the bones of other animals.

6. Implications of dinosaur discoveries to the theory of evolution and the belief that man was created in God's image, suggesting possible hidden and subtle political or religious agendas served on a naive and unsuspecting public.

7. A lack of organizations and people questioning or being skeptical of each and every discovery and public display. Dinosaurs are popular.
hmmm...just fyi I actually do think dinosaurs existed. But that doesn't mean I don't have questions about it. What in these ideas is wrong? I read people mocking, but not discrediting the ideas in any way...if the ideas are wrong, it should be easy to show me why right??? Are #1-7 happening or not?
emagidson - so is that the rule or the exception? What happens most of the time?
Ryan - good answer...on #1 you said "before there weren't enough resources or public interest to support this effort." ...bu tnow there is that 'support'...and with that 'support' comes an 'agenda' ...no?? ...and if there is an agenda (with support)...to find dino fossils...then your answer to #3 becomes very interesting.
Satan's clever talking snake - 1. not sure if I agree with you
2. The question is more geared toward "WHO" is finding the fossils...it is by people with an agenda to "find fossils" mostly (?)
3. Maybe - but in the museums are all those bones in the dinos "actual fossils"? I'm guessing no...Im thinking there is a lot of pure fabrication and making "fossils" to fit the dinos together into something they want it to be.
4. They're renderings, not exact sketches. You can't fully expect a perfect rendition =OK but why can't they make the models be more believable though...it would be easier to believe they were real that way...
5. There's tons of fossils of other animals. = I agree with you.
6. So? We find things that support and reject theories almost daily. = ok
7. So the Flat Earth Society proves the planet is flat? = good point, I'm just saying that there seems to be a lot of "buying into" the whole dino experience without examining the opposite side of if they really didn't exist.

Fai

Asked By: Heart of the Matter - 3/9/2011
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You've never been at a dinosaur discovery have you? They are usually discovered by a gravel truck driver inspecting his load or a back hoe operator doing his job.

They usually don't know what species they have uncovered but do know that these are not ordinary bones. More Dinosaurs have been discovered in Drayton Valley then any other site and several were complete undisturbed skeletons. Everyone who lives in the area has heard the stories or actually examined their bones in the field before the scientists arrived.

Many amateurs still hunt for fossils in this area. Some make their livelihood doing this. It is possible we will learn more about the assembly of skeletal remains in the future. We certainly have in the past. Dinosaurs are no hoax and to think someone planted thousands of complete fossils is insane.
Answered By: Brother Trucker - 3/9/2011
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Ha ha, you caught me, I just got back from a fake bone burying session. Now if you'll excuse, I have a virgin to sacrifice to my dark god.
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There's a reason that sounded insane.
Answered By: Acid Zebra - 3/9/2011
Complete and utter nonsense.
Answered By: marsel_duchamp - 3/9/2011
I think these prove that you're quite, quite dim and don't know a lot about dinosaurs or fossils.
Answered By: Vincent K, Atheati Mad Scientist - 3/9/2011
Ummm, you are wrong there pal
Answered By: Jim The Baptist - 3/9/2011
Amazing the lengths people will go to to suit their own religious agenda.

In case you didn't get the sarcasm I'm talking about you not the fossil burying scientists. LMAO.
Answered By: misty - 3/9/2011
There are dinosaurs that walk among us today or did you not realize that...alligators, crocodiles, lizards, many of which can live up to 100 years old...even there are fish in the ocean that have been discovered to be about 100 or more years old.
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Just my thoughts.
Answered By: Ren - 3/9/2011
I think it's funny that people think they know anything. You never know. You wouldn't know if our whole lives are fake, like in the Matrix, and you don't know the accuracy of any book, whether God wrote it or Richard Dawkins. Studies can be faked as easily as prophecies. I only know it's cold at the North Pole because I read it. That doesn't make it true. All your knowledge comes from hearsay or heresy.
Answered By: Account IV - 3/9/2011
As a Christian and a biochemist, I find these to be an embarrassment to all people of faith.

The creationists are sinking to new lows in misinformation and outright lies.

Please do yourself a favor and read actual scientific journals and not this kind of stupidity.

Evolution is a fact of life and THE "law of nature."
People who keep denying it are just losing out on understanding how God's power works in the world.

Dinosaurs existed and went extinct over 65 million years ago. We know more now about what to look for and how to extract them successfully than we did 150 years ago. We also have much better and more accurate testing methods.

Here, this is an article written by a former YEC and geologist:
http://home.entouch.net/dmd/gstory.htm

p.s. I'm willing to wager that you have no idea what the "laws of probability" are, or how to calculate probability. Neither do your preachers.
Answered By: Festus - 3/9/2011
1. Religious authority kept scientific discoveries minimal, until recently.
2. We compare bones to se if they are comparable to another species. Similarities between fossils may lead to similarities in the species.
3. There's still a crapload of actual fossils.
4. They're renderings, not exact sketches. You can't fully expect a perfect rendition.
5. There's tons of fossils of other animals.
6. So? We find things that support and reject theories almost daily.
7. So the Flat Earth Society proves the planet is flat?

Fail on all counts.
Answered By: ♣Satan's Clever Talking Snake♣ - 3/9/2011
I knew a guy who made the skeletons for museums and such. he had a stegosaurus in his garage he didn't have a head...He used a horse head and plastered it up a bit and there you go a stegosaurus.

He had this turtle on his wall about three feet across it looked just like a really big painted turtle. I said hey look a painted turtle. He said...THAT IS NOT A PAINTED TURTLE. Then he went on and on trying to explain to me why a painted turtle is not a painted turtle??? He lost me with the horse headed stegosaurus.
Answered By: Godsproblemchild - 3/9/2011
Just to refute one of your crazy statements:

"2. Nature of dinosaur discoverers and excavators - not by (initially) disinterested parties. When discovered by parties without a vested interest, they need to be told by dinosaur experts that they are dinosaur bones. "

Actaully the early fossil finds were made by coal miners in the United Kingdom. They had been finding fern prints and nautilis fossils and plant vertabrae (called cryonoid rings) but didn't know what they were. The miners just figured God made little treats and stuck them in the rocks, like the prizes in Cracker Jack.

It took a scientist to determine that the same fossil types were "hidden by God" in the same strata, no matter where in England he looked. Thus was the science of geology born.

You, my friend, REALLY should get out more.
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The scientist was William Smith. The book is "The Map That Changed the World" highly recommended.
Answered By: emagidson - 3/9/2011
1. the reason that people have been finding dinosaur fossils primarily in the last 150 years is because the industrial revolution has allowed for a class of academics to pursue their interests where before there weren't enough resources or public interest to support this effort.

2. Well they need to be told by experts because most people don't have any standard by which to judge whether dinosaur bones are in fact dinosaur bones. they are discovered by excavators and not disinterested parties because disinterested parties typically don't carefully select a spot of ground and then systematically extract geological layers until they get down to fossils. 65 million years builds up a lot of dirt, its not like dinosaur fossils are just covered with a little dust.

3. Of course there is the potential for tampering. But what's more difficult to believe; that there are actually dinosaur fossils, or that a vast international plot is being waged by an obscure group of scientists so that christian fundamentalists will question their beliefs. honestly.

4. Are you an engineer? Who told you that the body structures wouldn't work. No doubt someone trying to convince you that dinosaurs don't exist because dinosaurs challenge their belief that a supernatural immaterial entity that exists outside space and time is guiding their lives.

5. what are the odds? there are other animal bones being found all the time, its just that most people aren't all that interested if you dig up the skeleton of a house cat or a cow.

6. Again the vast global plot. What do they stand to gain? Couldn't they choose an easier way? Do you believe that automobiles are just a plot by Magneto or that electricity is a plot created by the Scions of Thor, that written language is a tool of the Orthographic Overlords of Obyssia. The reason that evolution incorporates dinosaur bones is because science is a process of observation, hypothesis, experiment, documentation/communication, repeated experiment, theory formation. every new fact that enters the seen will be integrated into new observations and new experiments so yes as dinosaur fossils have been unearthed scientific theories have formed to explain them.

7. There are large groups of people doubting the discovery of every single dinosaur fossil. They're called Christian fundamentalists and Mormons.
Answered By: Ryan - 3/9/2011
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