Poul Thorsen and Dr. Paul Offit, have been exposed as frauds. Why would the CDC rely on their studies?

	Poul Thorsen and Dr. Paul Offit, have been exposed as frauds. Why would the CDC rely on their studies? These guys are responsible for making claims that vaccines do not cause autism that the CDC has relied upon to make the claims. Why? Asked By: James - 5/22/2011

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The vaccine industry is so full of deceit and lies they are being caught in, I'm not surprised about these two guys being exposed. The CDC has a long history in supporting the drug companies on their lies that vaccines are safe. Dr. Julia Gerberding, has just accepted a job as the president of Merck's lucrative vaccine division (the same job Dr. Maurice Hilleman had). So the very person who has been telling us for years that Merck's HPV vaccines are perfectly safe is now promoting them commercially and getting paid big bucks to do it. The pharmaceutical industry has a giant "revolving door" through which corporations and government agencies frequently exchange key employees. That reality was driven home in a huge way when news broke that Dr. Julie Gerberding, who headed the CDC from 2002 through 2009, landed a top job with Merck, one of the largest drug companies in the world. Her job there? She's the new president of the vaccine division. How convenient. That means the former head of the CDC was very likely cultivating a relationship with Merck all these years, and now comes the big payoff: Heading up a $5 billion division that sells cervical cancer vaccines (like Gardasil), chickenpox vaccines and of course H1N1 swine flu vaccines, too. Here's a series of 3 videos for you to see talking about this: http://naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=781C36C5752AB4894EED16C5229A6E6D http://naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=AD7E4A4231545A82E5119F5CB7BAA8D9 http://naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=CDCE1C10F3D2CB099A9A6A92408038BB All this vaccine business is NOT about health. Here's a great article talking about the history of vaccines and just how ineffective they really are and why much of what we have been told is out and out lies: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2000/02/06/vaccine.aspx EDIT: Anyone believing the "Overwhelming studies" that vaccines do not cause Autism has to be naive and indoctrinated. I would like for that person to explain why there is NO autism in 35,000 children that Dr. Einenstein's clinic in Chicago, Illinois of children that have NOT been vaccinated where the typical statistic for that area is 1 child in 161 children get autism. If vaccines are NOT the cause, how do you explain that one sir? Here's a good video for you: http://naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=FE7BB1EBED2639982613E499598C8159 How many autistic adults do you know? Why is it epidemic now? In late 2009, the Maternal & Child Health Bureau of Health Resources and Services Administration (HRSA), US Department of Health and Human Services released a study evaluating the number of children in the U.S. who currently have an Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) diagnosis. It was called the Prevalence of Parent-Reported Diagnosis of Autism Spectrum Disorder among Children in the United States, 2007, and was published in Pediatrics. The study evaluated data from a National Survey of Children's Health (NCHS) in which 78,000 U.S. households were surveyed to estimate the prevalence of autism spectrum disorders. The households were queried if their child (ages 3-17) "currently has autism, Asperger's Disorder, Pervasive Development Disorder (PDD-nos) or other autism spectrum disorder." The NCHS survey estimated the prevalence rate of ASD to currently be 1 in 91 children! 1 in 57 boys are affected between the ages of 3 and 17. - A new case of autism is diagnosed nearly every 20 minutes - There are 24,000 new cases diagnosed in the U.S. each year - The economic impact of autism is more than $90 billion and is expected to more than double in the next decade. - Autism receives less than 5?f the research funding of many less prevalent childhood diseases. - There is no medical detection or cure for autism. - Autism is the fastest growing developmental disability in the U.S. Today. That is frightening considering that the estimates were 1 in 10,000 children in the 1980s! @Nate & momto2: Nate, if you weren't a POISON INJECTOR with an agenda who had some good facts to back up your claims, maybe people would listen to you. Wakefield was proven right. 2 other researchers before him discovered the same MMR gastrointestinal issues. Jenny McCarthy's kid got autism a few days after his shots. Blood sludging was the problem. Look at the pictures on the cover of magazines and you see he had the "Mini-stroke" causing Ischemia. 1 in 57 boys are getting this now, but Einenstein's clinic has 35,000 children with NO AUTISM and NO SHOTS were given them. EXPLAIN THAT STATISTIC please! NO ONE is taking on the Einenstein clinic issue here. Come on POISON INJECTORS, give us the answer! Blood sludging doesn't exist? Really? You mean smokers don't get it? That is old research proven many years ago and full accepted. It applies to vaccines as well now. good luck to you Answered By: onlymatch4u - 5/22/2011

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Toxic poison disguised as help. I refuse to take prescription drugs (deadly side effects) or vaccines. Answered By: bravo - 5/22/2011

Common sense SHOULD tell you that vaccines don't "cause autism", if you have bothered to look at the results of the "amassed study" that combined all the studies ever conducted to investigate this possibility, you already know that a ridiculously overwhelming number of autism cases occur in babies born before the 38th week. If there is a "thumping sound" in the back of your car, it's probably a flat tire, not an alien hiding in your trunk! Whilst it is heartbreaking for SOME parents to learn their children are autistic, and there is therefore a natural human inclination to "find someone to blame" (as you seem intent on doing), the evidence simply is not there to support any claim that vaccines are a "bad thing", since they save infinitely more lives than they harm. The situation is VERY similar to those folks who like to point out that every year, dozens of people are injured (or even killed) by seat belts.....is that a sane reason to not enforce seat belt laws, given that seat belts save roughly 17,000 lives a year, folks involved in accidents who would almost certainly have died had they not been restrained by the belt? Source(s): Common sense & logic. Answered By: LordGodGoose - 5/22/2011

...and Jenny McCarthy and Andrew Wakefield are much more reliable scientists.... Numerous different scientists have done studies that have shown that vaccines do not cause autism (not just dr. Paul Offit or Poul Thorsen). The medical facts also say that vaccines do not cause autism. I have 2 sons, who have severe autism (they are 11 & 9 years and have very little speech if any), and I know they were autistic from birth. No MMR vaccine changed them. People want vaccines to cause autism because then we have an answer, and if vaccines don't cause autism then we still don't know, but just because it's convenient doesn't mean it's true. Answered By: momto2autisticboys - 5/22/2011

Http://www.foodconsumer.org/newsite/Opinion/Comments/experts_0522110524.html Is this what you're referring to? lol. It would appear to be a mouthpiece for Mercola. Thorsen has been accused of wire fraud and money laundering, not scientific fraud. As for Dr. Offit ..."According to Adventures in Autism" Need I say more? No good evidence exists showing vaccines cause autism and plenty showing that they do not. I'm not even going to bother with Onlymath4u, as it's a waste of time. Edit: Ever heard of the sharpshooter fallacy? This thing with the Chicago clinic is 6 years old, based on an interview Dan Olmsted did. Why is this the first time both you and Lisa have brought it up? Anyway, it wasn't based on a study or anything. All he said was out of 30-35,000 kids, over the many years, there were "none he could think of." Sorry that I'm not as blown away as you. Answered By: Nate - 5/22/2011

Thorsen is accused of fraud (not scientific incompetence like Andrew Wakefield). Fraud has no bearing on the scientific validity or methodological soundness of these studies and their conclusions. If an embezzler says the world is round it doesn't mean the world is flat because the person who said it committed a crime. You want to invalidate a study then look at the actual study - that's what the CDC does. They don't just take someone's word for it - they evaluate the actual information. And Paul Offit has not been exposed as a fraud. Just because you don't agree with him doesn't make him a fraud. Plus there are many, many other scientists who have not been able to find any link between vaccines and autism. The unsupported claim is that vaccines cause autism not the other way around. And this unsupported claim allows people to take advantage of people with autism claiming cures that have no basis in science and for all we know may cause more harm than good. Source(s): http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2011/04/tpoul_thorsen_vaccine_safety.php Answered By: Katrina Erikson - 5/22/2011

Please provide evidence that Dr. Offit has ever been exposed as a fraud. Thorsen is accused of financial fraud, no scientific fraud. There is a difference. More importantly, he wasn't an important author on either of the two papers that showed thimerosal had no correlation to autism. There are also several other studies showing the same exact thing that he had no affiliation with. Then there's the simple fact they took thimerosal out of childhood vaccines and autism rates have no changed. If convicted, Thorsen's career is over. He will never be able to get another job in science. Contrast that to Wakefield, who after having his license stripped for ethics violations is still employed by the antivaxxers. Integrity clearly only matters to one side. You are attempting to distract people from the evidence, which quite clearly says you are wrong. Edit: Oh and: "2 other researchers before him discovered the same MMR gastrointestinal issues." [CITATION NEEDED] "Jenny McCarthy's kid got autism a few days after his shots." Except she went around claiming he was an indigo child for a few years. "Blood sludging was the problem." Which doesn't exist. Source(s): Microbiologist Answered By: Weise Ente - 5/22/2011

Offit hasn't been exposed as a fraud and Thorsen was accused of financial fraud. It does not mean the science is wrong. Basically, the 7th author of a paper left university with grant money. The scientific evidence very clearly shows that there is no link between vaccination and autism You're clutching at straws. Edit: That's not the only paper though. What about all the other data showing no link? Why is it more logical to listen to Wakefield..who actually DID commit scientific fraud, had undisclosed conflicts of interest and whose research was never replicated! Source(s): Some actual evidence: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19128068 Answered By: Rhianna does Medicine Year 1 - 5/22/2011

I think most people who answered your question do not consider that there is an integrity issue here. No one who stands to gain financially the way these men do from vaccines should be involved in any study related to their safety. If Poul Thorsen committed fraud in one area, why not in another area. If Dr. Paul Offit makes money off of vaccines sales, then that's also a conflict of interest. Also, don't expect the truth from mainstream medicine anymore now that the pharmaceutical companies are at the helm. Follow the money, and in the meantime, you may want to read Dr. Wakefield's book "Callous Disregard" to get the other side of the story which includes the parent's side of the story which no one seems to want to consider. Answered By: Beth - 5/22/2011

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