What was wrong with god's plan?
If not believing in one of the other theory without definitive proof is called "Agnostic" then I guess that's what I am. My logic and reason tells me there can be no god. But I also feel in my heart there should be something out there. I wish it. Would be great right? So perhaps a greater intelligence that intermittently shaped our thoughts and beliefs. Perhaps a deeper wisdom within us or outside of us intervenes when it deems necessary. Or perhaps we've created our walls, like the walls of a home or boundaries of a nation, to give our existential state of being some kind of meaning and purpose. Anyhow... my question, and it's been nagging me for a while is this. IF the stories about god are true, then WHY did Lucifer really rebel? The usual stories I find are all by believers. But none of them can address the question of why Zionism going against God's will of banishment of the Jews; he is said to have said specifically - "Stay the hell out of Babylon". But christian fundamentalists support Israel's occupation. But fuck the politics. We know how a rebellion comes to play. There is a person in power. A dictator if you will. And he is considered to be benevolent and tolerant; loves his people, allows them free will and freedom of expression etc. and has various endearing qualities and corresponding titles. BUT you DO NOT question HIS plan! And then there is a group of people who don't like what the Dictator is doing and they decide to go against it. They decide to QUESTION his plan. In the modern world, Thereafter there is struggle, possible civil unrest and war (war against the throne so to speak) And hopefully, democracy is the result of a people's rebellion... OR another Dictator takes his place. But during the rebellion the guy in power does everything to discredit, disavow, belittle, ridicule or forcibly quell the rebel. The papers would say "hes just jealous and wants power for himself!" or "he's evil! don't listen to him! he's satanic! he will lead you to plague, fornication, debauchery and death!" or even "he's an expert liar - he lies about our benevolent leader!" (especially if you ask the question about how such a fuckhead could have followers, especially followers who were once so loyal to the leader!) Now, in a world where the Dictator is the good guy, why would someone rebel against him. Let's say for example, umm... Mr. President? So Mr. President ran things for a long time. And he did a damn good job. He was wise and loving. He could do no wrong! Ofcourse, the citizens of his nation were a bit fucked up and kept screwing up so Mr. President had to end the nation once or twice, kill everyone and restart from scratch with a small boat of people. But then, Mr. President's right hand man. Let's say, umm... Ms. Rice, (LOL... sorry... but go with me here for a bit), who is so loyal to Mr. President and loving and faithful and does Mr. P's bidding etc etc. And is given the title Arch Angel and all (which, lets assume, is a very big deal). Suddenly, Ms. R rebels. Grows dissatisfied with Mr. P's plans. Says they're all fucked up and she wants to run things for a while, show how it should be done. And she even gets a lot of following. Maybe independent media even supports her claims! Mr. P decides to fuck her up and kicks her out of the pearly house and so on... we all know what happened according to the Bible... BUT the Bible is the mainstream media of that world. So I really wouldn't be sure if the Bible really told the truth about WHY EXACTLY Mr. R rebelled. Maybe it was too embarrassing. Maybe it would damage Mr. P's career and control! I am not a scholar of religious texts but I know there are people out there with more knowledge of religious teachings and it is quite possible that some text out there might have covered a more detailed reason for why Ms. R rebelled! Like a Wikileak of that world perhaps... So if anyone knows anything USEFUL about this question, and having read the whole question... please answer me this question What was wrong with God's plans that made Lucifer want to rebel against the one person he served so faithfully and dearly for so long? @ all fundamental believers - please don't be offended. I respect all beliefs (except laws that states you can stone a woman to death for cheating, or laws that state that revenge is a god given right, or the law that states that you should serve in the military compulsorily and kill others for a part of your life, or the law that states that freedom of choice is not allowed or the law that states that some humans are superior/inferior to others.) Different strokes. It's just that I can't find a proper detailed justification for Lucifer's rebellion anywhere. @? the "which part" guy: Do you know which part of it had a problem? Maybe that's what Satan wanted to change and God told him to fuck off! Maybe we ought to atleast find out what that part was! Maybe the fuckhead had a point... no? That's why I am asking! @Sean: I have a lot of believer friends and a lot of atheist friends. The atheists complain about nhow unscientific it all is. And the believers ask the atheists to think in metaphors and similies. Maybe boredom, or perhaps loneliness, is the reason we create. Maybe the tree of knowledge just meant the head of state didn't want you to know too much - not much different from now. And Jesus probably called himself the "son of the leader" so people of his time would take him more seriously. Or maybe the leader fucked his mom - who knows. Nothing wrong. How do you think you were born? And maybe 6000 years isn't so long. Flies live their entire lifetime in a matter of minutes. You think they might perce @ Drifter Scratch that. Helen beat your answer hands down! @Helen Mcgowen: he had a choice serve God or himself he wanted people to worship him not God so he caused mankind to fall from grace we then died spiritually and had physical death as well A: So is it believed we were immortals till then? And by fall from grace, does it mean humans lost something? Is grace an emotion? Or a power to percieve something that we don't now have? And what does it mean to have spiritual death? Are we considered less spiritual today than we were before? And by spiritual, do you speak in context of "talking to ghosts" or "holiday spirit", or "spirit of freedoma"? Please tell me more! Jesus came to pay the price for sin to make us right in God's sight by believing Christ is our savior and died for our Sins A: If I understand this right, the world started following satan and then jesus came to bring people back to god? And because of our guilt of Jesus dying for our
Asked By: ikakook - 1/21/2012
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No thanks. It is too confusing for me to even consider... More
Answered By: Sean - 1/21/2012
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Which part of it?
Answered By: Sigh... - 1/21/2012
Read the Qur'an the whole thing and it'll answer all your questions.
Answered By: ? - 1/21/2012
Nothing was wrong with the plan. Satan just wanted power for himself. He wanted to do what God does and probably thought he could do it better (I believe there is a word for that, I've forgotten it).
Answered By: ? - 1/21/2012
Satan was once an ansel of God he want power he had a choice serve God or himself he wanted people to worship him not God so he caused mankind to fall from grace we then died spiritually and had physical death as well Jesus came to pay the price for sin to make us right in God's sight by believing Christ is our savior... More
Answered By: Helen Mcgowen - 1/21/2012
Hi, let me continue that story... More
Answered By: Vj - 1/21/2012
Supposedly God's plan are released. Are you going to comply with it or use your intelligence to say that everything is wrong in the plan?
Answered By: Nitha M - 1/22/2012
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