How much longer until the entire man-made Global Warming sham crumbles?

	How much longer until the entire man-made Global Warming sham crumbles? ----------------------------- I've always said if you want to stop man-made Global Warming, then just cut all of it's public funding and all the screeching and propaganda that supports this scam will stop. The science is in, the foundations of the man-made Global Warming scam are destroyed. Title: The phase relation between atmospheric carbon dioxide and global temperature http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921818112001658#FCANote Here are more than 1,100 peer-reviewed studies that support the skeptical view. http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html Here are many more: http://www.c3headlines.com/peer-reviewed-studies/ Isn't it time to stop wasting the billions of public taxpayer dollars poured into this global con-job each year? We've already been pouring this money down the drain for more than 30 years. ----------------------------- ----------------------------- Ottawa Mike - I disagree. I think the man-made Global Warming HOAX will go out with a BANG. That day will come when all of the public money that fuels the propaganda is cut-off. Other global scams... like Y2K for example, didn't really have public money behind them, although a lot of money was made by the instigators of that scam. Of course it was not helpful to the Y2K scam that the year 2000 came and went without a single predicted incident of doom. When the public money is cut off for AGW Leftist heads will explode (metaphorically) around the world. Then, let the prosecutions begin for all the needless suffering caused, all the children frightened and propagandized, and all the billions of dollars wasted. ----------------------------- ----------------------------- Hasan Khan - You seem like a rational person but you are totally propagandized. Watch this and at least consider the other side of the story. The Great Global Warming Swindle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov0WwtPcALE ----------------------------- ----------------------------- Jeff - That's an unusually weak and disingenuous argument for you. ----------------------------- ----------------------------- Dooky - You never say anything nice to me, sometimes I think you are trying to hurt my feelings. :-( ----------------------------- ----------------------------- campbelp2002 - I knew before I even clicked your link that it was going to be something about Muller. Here is a newsflash for you, Muller WAS NEVER A SKEPTIC BY HIS OWN WORDS. "I was never a skeptic" - Richard Muller, 2011 The Leftist/Warmist lie that Muller has converted from skeptic to Warmist was prompted by the large number of Warmist that converted to skeptics over the years and there are many. Warmists got jealous because they couldn't find any skeptic that would convert to Warmist, so they made one up. NOW, there is your proof that Warmists are LIARS, are you going to just keep on believing them? ----------------------------- ----------------------------- Jungle Jim - That paper states: "Less well known are seasonal variations in death rates, with the highest levels occurring during the colder winter months..." This seems to be a rebuttal to warmist claims that warmer weather is more deadly. ----------------------------- Asked By: Maxx - 9/2/2012

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Gringo, your answer is pure nonsense and debunked in the rebuttals to papers section, http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html#Rebuttals The papers from Zeebe and deMenocola are not on the list anymore but the reasons why they were listed have nothing to do with what you quoted (1), 2. deMenocal et al. (2000) is listed explicitly under the Medieval Warm Period (MWP) section because it supports skeptic arguments for the existence of the MWP and that it was a global rather than a regional phenomenon. The actual data from the paper shows, "At Hole 658C, the LIA cooling is also represented by two distinct 3Â°Cto 4Â°C cooling events between ~1300 and 1900 A.D.; the earlier Medieval Warm Period (MWP), between ~400 and 1000 A.D., was only marginally warmer than present" In their paper, Fig. 4 (West African SST) shows this clearly. Regarding Peter deMenocal's comments, "I've asked Dennis Avery of the Heartland Institute to take my name off [another similar] list four times and I've never had a response. There are 15 other Columbia colleagues on there as well ... and all want their names removed." Since Dr. deMenocal does not know why his paper was listed he cannot make any such claim. He says he has said so "many times to them", who is "them"? Certainly not Popular Technology.net as I have never received an email from anyone on these issues. Dennis Avery's list has nothing to do with the Popular Technology.net's list as the former's wording is very different from ours. So confusing the two lists is a very serious mistake. Dr. deMenocal has never been included on any list here in relation to his personal position on AGW nor has the other Columbia colleagues he speaks of. I respect their personal position on this issue and have never attempted to misrepresent them. Their personal position on the issue does not prevent skeptics from using this paper to support skeptic arguments. 3. Zeebe et al. (2009) is listed because it supports skeptic arguments that CO2 was not a past primary climate driver and thus unlikely to be a current primary climate driver. The actual data from the paper shows, "At accepted values for the climate sensitivity to a doubling of the atmospheric CO2 concentration, this rise in CO2 can explain only between 1 and 3.5C of the warming inferred from proxy records." Since up to 89?f the observed warming in the time period studied cannot be explained by CO2 forcing this clearly supports skeptic arguments against CO2 being a past primary climate driver. The paper explicitly mentions that other forcings would have to account for the discrepancy, "If the temperature reconstructions are correct, then ...forcings other than atmospheric CO2 caused a major portion of the PETM warming." Regarding Richard Zeebe's comments, "Using our paper to support skepticism of anthropogenic global warming is misleading." This is a strawman argument as his paper is not used to support skepticism of AGW but rather AGW Alarm as there is nothing misleading about showing evidence that CO2 was not a past primary climate driver. Pielke Jr.'s nonsense is refuted here (2) Greenfyre's garbage is refuted here (3), E&E is a scholarly peer-reviewed journal, Energy & Environment is a peer-reviewed interdisciplinary scholarly journal (ISSN: 0958-305X) - Indexed in Compendex, EBSCO, Environment Abstracts, Google Scholar, JournalSeek, Scopus and Thompson Reuters (ISI) - Found at 180 libraries and universities worldwide in print and electronic form. These include; Cambridge University, Cornell University, British Library, Dartmouth College, Library of Congress, National Library of Australia, Ohio University, Pennsylvania State University, Rutgers University, University of California, University of Delaware, University of Oxford, University of Virginia, and MIT. - Thompson Reuters (ISI) Social Sciences Citation Index lists Energy & Environment as a peer-reviewed scholarly journal - EBSCO lists Energy & Environment as a peer-reviewed scholarly journal - Scopus lists Energy & Environment as a peer-reviewed scholarly journal - The IPCC cites Energy & Environment multiple times - "E&E, by the way, is peer reviewed" - Tom Wigley, Fellow of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) - "I have published a few papers in E&E. All were peer-reviewed as usual. I have reviewed a few more for the journal." - Richard Tol Ph.D. Professor of the Economics of Climate Change, Vrije Universiteit, Netherlands - "All Multi-Sciences primary journals are fully refereed" - Multi-Science Publishing - "Regular issues include submitted and invited papers that are rigorously peer reviewed" - E&E Mission Statement The scholarly peer-reviewed journal Energy & Environment only represents 10?f the list. There are over 1000 papers from over 300 other journals on the list. Please get your facts straight before posting long debunked garbage. Answered By: Poptech - 9/2/2012

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Unless the uncertainty in the science improves, I predict this issue will not "crumble" but rather just fade slowly away. There is way to much money involved. The money will begin to dry up and people will simply not talk about it anymore (as if it never really happened). The interesting part though is that we live in a time now where this issue is massively documented. This is in great contrast to other similar issues in the past like the global cooling scare in the early seventies. It's easy to say it never happened because we were not yet in the digital revolution. It will be impossible to deny who said what, what studies were done, etc. regarding global warming. Answered By: Ottawa Mike - 9/2/2012

Hopefully sooner then later. Carbon taxes are around the corner and thats going to be serious BS if it goes through! Answered By: Jake - 9/2/2012

Its a complex question to answer. Almost all the pollution is caused by human and we can call it man made pollution. There is another type of pollution named “Environmental/Natural pollution” but this kind of pollution is also the consequence of human activities. At present mass population is causing huge amount of pollution consciously or unconsciously. Pollution by people or man made pollution has started since 1750 when the industrial revolution begin in Europe. Industrial revolution is very important in human history for its positive improvement to the earth. But Industrial revolution has done a great harm to this earth. It started massive amount of pollution in different forms. The two most common form of man made pollution is “Air pollution” & “Water pollution”. Source(s): http://allpollutionproblem.com/category/man-made-pollution/#.UEOTJY3iaQ4 Answered By: Hasan Khan - 9/2/2012

It's funny that you keep using that article as if it has anything to do with man-made global warming. The other two links are to blogs and link lists. Science is shared in peer reviewed journals. You interpretation of those articles does not make your interpretation of reality true. My guess is that the global warming 'scam' is going to last as long as the evolution 'scam'. I'll let you figure out what I mean as I know you don't believe in either. Answered By: Jeff M - 9/2/2012

Maxx, you stated the answer......cut off the taxpayer funding for 'Man-did-it' global warming 'studies' and it will then go away. It will be tough to accomplish....entitlements are very difficult to eliminate and the pocket-protector/labcoat segment of academia has grown fond of being able to buy a new Volvo station wagon every other year....at taxpayer expense, of course. Answered By: BB - 9/2/2012

It should have already but the majority of people are told by the government that because of a heat wave in july the earth is warming, the government pays off scientist to manipulate data as proven with the UEA. I'm not even sure if arctic ice is as low as they say I looked on NOAA's website and it doesn't show record low ice extent. Source(s): interactive map of ice by NOAA - http://www.natice.noaa.gov/products/products_on_demand.html Answered By: B - 9/2/2012

<<Title: The phase relation between atmospheric carbon dioxide and global temperature http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/art…>> You dedicated a separate question to this paper yesterday where your 'findings' were rapidly debunked. It's amazing (not really, come to think of it) that you nonetheless hold on to this paper. <<Here are more than 1,100 peer-reviewed studies that support the skeptical view. http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10…>> You have not bothered to check none of those 1,100 supposedly peer-reviewed studies. Luckily, full-time skeptics have and its not looking good: "Using our paper to support skepticism of anthropogenic global warming is misleading" said Professor Richard Zeebe, University of Hawaii whose paper is among those 1,100. Professor Peter deMenocal, of the Earth Institute, Columbia University, has a similar opinion: "No, this is not an accurate representation of my work and I've said so many times to them and in print. "I've asked Dennis Avery of the Heartland Institute to take my name off [another similar] list four times and I've never had a response. There are 15 other Columbia colleagues on there as well ... and all want their names removed." (1) Even Professor Roger Pielke Jr. has criticized the list which he describes as "[the] list doesn't represent what they think it does" and has asked his papers listed to be removed. (2) Research biologist Mike Kaulbars, better known under his Greenfyre blog name, has done extensive research in the 'Poptart' list and found that: - papers listed are not peer-reviewed and/or - are known to be false and/or - are irrelevant to the issue at hand and/or - out of date/no longer relevant and/or - not supportive of climate change denial. Furthermore, many of the peer-reviewed papers listed were published in the journal Energy & Environment which has a very bad track record when it comes to exercising a proper peer-review process. (3) <<Here are many more: http://www.c3headlines.com/peer-reviewed…>> Ah, C3 headlines of whom we still have no clue who runs that site (though we can imagine), cherry-picking papers and getting lots of help from the Idso family, all born and bred (and oil industry fed) deniers, at their CO2Science denial site. On CO2Science, Nature.com blogger Olive Heffernan wrote in 2008 : " the most insidious feature of the website are the mini-reviews, where the editors (presumably the board) kindly reinterpret your results for you (beware of this in the MWP tracker as well)." Yep, they dismiss the papers' authors own conclusions and make their very own. Hefferman: " This goes way beyond any healthy skepticism and into the realm of active disinformation. What’s especially frustrating is the way they veil their agenda in peer-reviewed science, liberally using the names of well respected scientists who probably have no idea this site even exists." Yet 'skeptic' Maxx swallows it all. Eagerly. Edit @Poptech: Due to space limitations, I've dedicated a whole separate question to your reply at: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120902162212AAVGDN3 Source(s): (1) http://www.carbonbrief.org/blog/2011/04/900-papers-part-two-using-our-paper-is-misleading (2) http://rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com.es/2009/11/better-recheck-that-list.html (3) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_and_environment#Criticism (4) http://blogs.nature.com/climatefeedback/2008/08/more_for_the_annals_of_climate_1.html Answered By: Gringo - 9/2/2012

If you want to follow the money, follow the fossil fuel interests- same happened with the tobacco companies who denied any link with cancer for years. the laws of physics will not change just to please you. If you don't like the solution, come up with a better way. Either way, the concentrations of CO2 have to be reduced or we're all going to pay big time. Answered By: Al - 9/2/2012

<I've always said if you want to stop man-made Global Warming, then just cut all of it's public funding and all the screeching and propaganda that supports this scam will stop.> That is wrong on so many levels. First of all, suppose that AGW were wrong. For someone to disprove AGW, they would need to discover why Earth were warming. Without funding, no one will be able to find this out. What has been published to date will still be out there, unless our freedoms were removed. <Then, let the prosecutions begin for all the needless suffering caused, all the children frightened and propagandized, and all the billions of dollars wasted.> First of all, how many people were charged for the phlogistin "scam", the plum pudding atom "scam" or the the "scam" about light using ether as a medium? How about the "scam" in which according to pre-quantum mechanics, humans did not have free will? The answer is none, because, without admitting that AGW is wrong, scientists being wrong is not a crime. <all the children frightened and propagandized> You mean like by denialist claims that we will not be able to heat our homes, that "warmers" are threatining to take away our freedoms or that AGW is a communist plot. Well, Maxx, communists jail people for diagreeing with the government, as you advocate doing to honest scientists. You and your pal, Sagebrush, assuming that you are not one and the same are more communist than any "warmer" on this forum. Answered By: Climate Realist - 9/2/2012

More scientists who used to doubt that human activity was causing the warming are changing their minds and agreeing that human activity is causing it. So you have it backwards. But there will always be some holdouts to any idea, no matter how well established and proved. I am guessing you will be one of them. Source(s): http://www.tgdaily.com/general-science-brief/65049-noted-global-warming-skeptic-changes-his-mind Answered By: campbelp2002 - 9/2/2012

About the time the world becomes flat instead of round, which will happen before you attain the knowledge of an average 8th grader. Answered By: Hey Dook - 9/2/2012

Why dont you read what you post : "Here are more than 1,100 peer-reviewed studies that support the skeptical view." The first paper I opened has nothing to do with "the sceptical view" : am I wasting my time reading any more ? Which ones did you read? Environ Res. 2003 May;92(1):8-13. Cold--an underrated risk factor for health. Mercer JB. Source Department of Medical Physiology, Faculty of Medicine, University of Tromsø, N-9037 Tromsø, Norway. james.mercer@fagmed.uit.no <james.mercer@fagmed.uit.no> Abstract Cardiovascular diseases (CVD) are responsible for around 20?f all deaths worldwide (approximately 14 million) and are the principal cause of death in all developed countries, accounting for 50?f all deaths. Variations in the annual per capita death rates in different countries are well documented. Less well known are seasonal variations in death rates, with the highest levels occurring during the colder winter months, which have been described in many countries. This phenomenon is referred to as excess winter mortality. CVD-related deaths account for the majority of excess winter deaths (up to 70?n some countries), while about half of the remaining are due to increases in respiratory diseases. Paradoxically, CVD mortality increases to a greater extent with a given fall in temperature in regions with warm winters. While much of the indirect evidence points to the notion that cold is somehow involved in explaining excess winter deaths, the mechanism by which seemingly mild exposure to cold ambient conditions can increase the risk of death remains unclear. The strong indirect epidemiological evidence coupling cold climate to mortality may be related to indoor rather than outdoor climatic conditions (e.g., cold/damp houses versus warm/dry houses) coupled with a plethora of factors including health status, ageing-related deterioration in physiological and behavioral thermoregulation, toxicology, and socioeconomic factors. PMID: 12706750 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] EDIT : sorry Gringo - posted before reading your more comprehensive reply EDIT EDIT : "Jungle Jim - That paper states: "Less well known are seasonal variations in death rates, with the highest levels occurring during the colder winter months..."This seems to be a rebuttal to warmist claims that warmer weather is more deadly. Now you are being silly. Climate science is is not a branch of medicine concerned with hypothermia or hypothermia - these are well known understood. Answered By: Jungle Jim - 9/2/2012

If there is any consistency in denial it is that you keep posting from the same sites, sites that have not an ounce of credibility. C3 is one that pat also has used recently, in his the story quoted a paper "word for word" except for the last paragraph of the abstract which they left out, for the simple reason that it was directly against the absurd point C3 was trying to make, this is something denier blogs have been caught doing again and again. Of course you keep posting this BS with the same links again and again to the same blogs or YouTube, how you think this is science or anything even remotely like science escapes me. As for the politics look at the real world Republicans want to get back in at election time and they will play the anti AGW card (some of them anyway) to do that, but even under Bush the reality is that AGW research was still funded, as the politicians may want to get your vote, but they are also realists, they have seen the evidence and been advised by the scientists. Who cares what Mullier was or is it's seem deniers have a fixation just as they have a fixation with Gore, but at the end of the day it is what the science community as a whole have to say that carries far more weight decades of published papers and the real physical and observed changes like the decline of the Arctic Sea Ice, glacial ice, rising ocean acidity, Co2 levels and global temperature have all done what was estimated they would do, To date denier have presented nothing that counters these points, you can rant about Mullier & Gore till the cows come home, mad English Baronets can demean teenagers at conferences all they want, all they really do is show were they are coming from, not what the science is. To some extent deniers remind me of the band on the Titanic, lots of music, but pretty empty notes which did not stop the ship sinking, and while denier 'music' gets ever more shrill, the effects in the real world become more and more obvious. http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2012/08/arctic-sea-ice-breaks-2007-record-extent/ Gringo: E&E was a short lived con, the science community caught onto pretty quickly, E&E had tried to drum up business by mailing out to scientists (especially young and naive scientists) for papers, this did work for a short time but the word soon got around that it was a journal not interested in real science but the denier point of view (hardly science) The company that run it also publish (on order) many other publication, for industry, a fact they hardly tried to hide with lead deniers as editor and co-editor. Denier like to claim peer review is worthless, if it is then why are denial groups trying to buy their way into the process through phony journals like E&E, a more recent and slightly more subtle (if denier could accused of being subtle) is to get papers into obscure journals using unrelated fields like statistics or something similar and then claim look this is peer reviewed. An example of E&E can be found here, they threatened to sue Gavin Schmidt for libel, for claiming pretty much what I have stated above, the idea was that he would (in fear of possible financial loss) back down in his claims, he didn't and E&E tucked their tail between their legs and skulked away. http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/feb/25/real-climate-libel-threat Answered By: antarcticice - 9/2/2012

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